IHSH-292-IND - 18oz Vintage Selvedge Denim CPO Shirt - Indigo
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Mine looks like there are also some misplacements of the pocket and even the size of the pockets
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@sabergirl , with the price being paid for these garments: Yes.
I have a second job in retail, and see all kinds of nonsense from Levis. When paying literally tenfold for an IH shirt, you have expectations. Mine has the pocket misalignment issue, but not to the point where it slows me down from tossing it on, but I can see where it would upset others.
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It’s definitely an error on some as I have never noticed this before and yes, when you are paying that amount of money (or any amount) it should be right. You wouldn’t accept a new car with a small dent for example.
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@sabergirl it’s not OCD and it’s faulty. It’s hardly not noticeable. Things miss QC on every company on the planet
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@sabergirl not at all. I sent pack an Amazon item for £9.99 yesterday that was faulty
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For me personally, regardless of the brand if the item if it’s not perfect I’m not going to wear it. Once I notice something it will forever bother me. But the fact that this shirt is $400 definitely makes it worst.
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@sabergirl I would say price is a factor. I’m not OCD and wear plenty of imperfect items. But I would expect a 400.00 shirt to have straight pockets. Mine is only really noticeable buttoned up and and more so folded. I kept it and I love it. However, people being bothered and wanting to possibly exchange it isn’t being OCD, it’s wanting what everyone else has purchased and come to expect from IH. It’s their most popular shirt. Is that a big ask? I don’t think anyone who received one and is bringing attention to the issue is in the wrong for wanting a mostly symmetrical shirt.
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I definitely couldn’t do a better job, but I’m also not being paid to.
These pieces are made by humans, and there obviously needs to be a certain allowable margin of error. Just wondering where you draw the line? That shirt would bother me - not that I would want it to.
I had similar concerns and emailed about my Big Buck - I was told they’re all off. A quarter inch might not sound huge, but when pocket-to-placket on one side is only half an inch, we’re talking more than a 50% increase to get to over three quarters of an inch on the other side. That’s a big difference to me, and hard not to look at….
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I’m not sure that I know where I would draw the line—hence my curiosity. I suppose I’ve been lucky so far that none of my shirts have this issue. Or, I just haven’t noticed. Knowing myself, I expect I just haven’t noticed.
I appreciate everyone weighing in. I suppose my invocation of OCD is triggering to folks due to stigma about mental illness, and I apologize if anyone felt called out, it wasn’t my intention.
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@sabergirl , I can (and have) tried on multiple pairs of 501s in a size 34 X 32, and while most of them felt "similar", none of them fit the "same". To add, they all even came from the same shipment/truck/load. While there shouldn't be any QC issues on less expensive items, it's sadly something that I've seen as the norm.
When buying a very small batch item that costs ten fold, yes, I expect NEAR perfect qc.
Similar story: I work on cars for my main job, and had just wrapped up an install on a 2023 Corvette. I noticed the stitching was very wonky on the dash, and mistakenly pointed it out to the owner. He said "You have just ruined this car for me, as I'll NEVER be able to unsee that flaw". That's a six figure car, again, I'd expect near perfect QC at that price point.
Cliff notes: Pricing reflects QC expectations.
Edit: I have over two dozen IH shirts, including flannels, CPOs, work shirts, etc. Pretty much all of them are dead nuts perfect, and I expected that tradition to continue.
This "issue" will not deter me from continuing to support this brand which I love so dearly.
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The problem with this CPO pocket misalignment is they sell out quickly. Most end up living with it due to the fact that your only option is a credit for a shirt that won't run again until next year. I'm fine with mine, honestly didn't notice until it was posted about. Slight annoyance but still checking weather daily for cooler days. Love this shirt.
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@sabergirl I don't expect absolute perfection, but I've come to expect near perfection. The fact that IH QC has been consistently SO GOOD for as long as I've been around it has created an expectation for quality at a certain level. I have some IH garments with extremely minor issues, so nothing is truly perfect, and I chalk it up to human error or the material doing its thing. When I buy a piece from IH, I know what I'm getting. And in the rare instances that I've been surprised by something, it's usually so minor that I don't care, or make the decision that it's part of the charm of a well-made garment. And there's something beautiful about that.
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Hey guys! Just checking in with my first iron heart purchase! However I think this and 25oz 634 will be my only 2 purchases from iron heart... For trousers I spent a bit trying different cuts And 634 came closest to great. My perfect cut would be straight 888. 634 rise felt a bit low, but 888 perfect top block but almost can't get it over knees and calves.
For shirts...
Love the shirt! Feels really really slim with too long sleeves. For denim I guess it's fine. Some extra cuff and sleeve fades. But that kind makes me think I better stay away from uhf. Oh by the way love the tight armholes! So much more freedom of movement! Denim also feels nice! Like a soft armour!
P.s. yes I know you "can" shorten sleeves, but when you need 1-2" off, you risk ending up with weird placket. Or placket needs to be moved...
P.p.s. my pockets seem fine. Or at least close enough that I can't see anything wrong.
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@rimaarts I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the sleeves shrink up a tad and natural folds set in your arms. IH sleeves run long for obvious reasons when riding, but I've seen all size men make it work. Time and wear seem to work wonders on a lot of these pieces, kinda magical. As for the bottoms, really helps if you can try on some different fits in different sizes, they seem to cover a lot of ground for wide array of body types. Good luck, CPO looks nice.
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@RubyRae Was it that you could speed up the sleeves naturally folding if you just spray some water around the area of the forearm where the creases appear? I think I followed someone's advice on that and it worked well for my Self Edge CPO. I have long arms so the sleeve length doesn't bother me that much. But even as 190cm (6'2-6'3) tall the overall length of the shirt can sometimes be too long for my taste with some IH shirts. I think I nailed my fit with XXXL there luckily. SP-Large got room for my shoulders and chest but often found when trying different denim shirts from IH that then you get too much length with the SP-Large...
But yeah everyone just needs to find the perfect measurements that fit them right.
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@RubyRae well I honestly have enough denim. I also have 25 oz samurai. So the only piece I "want" is iron heart 25oz. And 888 is too slim knees and below, great top block. 634 is... actually weird. I never got a chance to try 25oz 634 but last year I tried lighter denim size 40. Felt like swimming in it. This year tried 38 lighter denim, felt almost like your bog standard high street moderately slim, moderately low rise fit. Looking at pics I took, I can't believe it had 10" leg opening... any other cuts i should look at?
So you think even if sleeves is too long, I should still try on uhf? (Probably next year)
And honestly, sleeves on this one are pretty slim so I don't think creases will help much.. but still. Lovely shirt! And tight armhole makes it so much better!
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@rimaarts check out the 1955. Roomy all around. Doesn't restock often but it sounds like something you may want to keep an eye out for.
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@rimaarts Definitely worth trying a UHF, just check measurements, worth even asking for shorter arms on chat for one you like to see whats available. Anything denim the arms shorten up a bit after you set some creases but UHF I find for me personally XL the sleeves are perfect, XXL they can be a touch long but more than bearable still
