One person, who we called The C**t for a while, refused to (there were numerous other reasons for the moniker). He is no longer a member or a customer.....

@neph93 said in IH-828-IND - 14oz Selvedge Double Knee Work Pants - Indigo:

As I said to the guys on the net meet, I know @Giles and @Alex had to work a long time to get Haraki-san to agree to designing and making 14oz,

Actually we did not.

See here

The creation of the 14oz denim was discussed elsewhere recently, I thought it would be interesting to articulate how it came about in a dedicated thread. It's actually hard to quantify how important this story is with regards to the Iron Heart that you see today

It's quite a convoluted story, but it was very easy.

A couple of things happened at very similar times.

Firstly Haraki had launched a large seasonal collection for Triple Works. It was full of amazing stuff including a 14oz indigo denim jean. We were in Tokyo showing the collections (Iron Heart and Triple works) to our retailers. and If we were doing that, then it was a long time ago, The Clutch show in Yokohama basically put paid to what was a twice yearly pilgrimage to Tokyo with retailers to see the next seasons collections. As per norm back then, Haraki would host a large dinner for the retailers, I was chatting to one of our larger retailers and asked him what he thought of the TW collection. He said that it was amazing, but that he would not buy any of it because he did not need the hassle of having another Works Inc brand and not knowing how to articulate the difference between IH and TW (to be fair, Haraki never satisfactorily explained the difference, thus nor could I - I made up a few things, but they all seemed forced and slightly bullshitty). I took Haraki upstairs for a chat and a smoke and with no hope of success explained the problem (I had been rooting for TW to be merged with IH for ages, but always got a hard no from H). To my utter amazement, he basically said "No problem, we will drop TW and merge it with IH". I need smelling salts, not just a smoke at that point....

So that was the beginning of the story, lighter weight stuff would be made under the IH name.

The second key thing to happen was "The Great IHSH-101 and 102tg disaster". The outpouring of love and support we got for doing that recall was humbling and with comments such as "even the worse of these was better than some brands best efforts", I started to understand that people were buying us as much, if not more, for our quality than for heaviness of our fabrics. The next time I saw H, I explained my epiphany and said that perhaps our tagline should change from "We never do light", to "We never do crap". After he had finished laughing, I said, so can we start making the 14oz as a core IH denim (expecting the usual hard no). He said yes. More smelling salts needed.

These were both pivotal moments in the genesis of the brand you see now. And in point of fact, in both cases Haraki did not need a lot of persuading. It's difficult to describe how hard it is to keep on knocking on a closed Japanese door, but because I am thick skinned and stupid, I did keep trying, but it was always with a great deal of trepidation.

As you allude to Reuben, he did change the weft from single strand to twist double to make the 14oz more Iron Hearty. And that is what we have today.

Yuki is settling in to the house now. Kira has been away for a week, and is away until the 25th still on a job in Peru. I have to say I was not ready for solo puppy life, its been a brutal few days, especially with the website migration! This week he was allowed outside for the first time, post vaccination.

He thinks the forum is pretty dull though, sadly

I'm sure it was nothing to do with the author @ARNC

@hangwithhuang the beatle buster was mid/high ish rise, and tapered. The closest options will be the 888 and 1955, though neither are exactly the same. The 555 is similar rise, but slimmer.

@Kjunx thank you - this is typically exactly what we do when we launch new websites/forum updates etc, and we will do so again. We have already had some useful peer review from a handful of forumites before we started the go live process

BUT - if there are any issues that we are not happy with regards the above, we reserve the right to restart the ironheartamerica.com domain to ensure good user experience for Americans.

@CosmoSix5 at launch, we will be moving everything under one umbrella, domain wise, but all USA/EU domains will have auto forwards in place so you should not have any broken links.

More importantly, none of our processes will be changing regarding how we handle EU or US orders, and your payments will still be processed locally so there are no international card fees etc etc. Just really domain tidying up, rather than changing the way we work with America (or the EU)

@chadstone30
Haha! I don’t actually wear 2 at the same time… I just posted that because Mo was showing off and I happen to have two model 10s also...
That ship John model 10 is soo sick!