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Having very similar jeans to you and also now a few 666's I've found that comparing typical tapered cuts to the straight-narrow cut of the 666 that a tapered cut with a 12.75-13.00" thigh to 8.0-8.5" knees needs about a straight cut of 12.2-12.5" thigh and ~9.0" knee to feel somewhat similar through the mid-thigh. Comfort is relative on either. The tapered cuts can annoy me at the knee and calf where they can feel tight whereas sometimes the straight cut can feel restricting right at the top of the thigh when lunging, squatting, or trying to double up a flight of stairs. Personally, I prefer the straighter cut and find it more comfortable, but ymmv.
Given the numbers in your spreadsheet, and given that the XHS will tighten up after your first soak, I'd probably consider a 34 before the 33 mostly based on the thigh/knee ratios noted. Also I'd possibly suggest you checkout the 633 from selfedge which is a 634 with a little taper from knee to hem. As a somewhat off the wall suggestion, sizing up one size in 666 fits a lot like what I'd imagine a higher-rise slim 634 to feel like….at least that's how my size 35 666-XHSib's fit compared to a set of 33 634s and 633s. Could be an option for you depending on if you wear belts.
I also went ahead and did some calculation for you assuming a 4% shrink and converted it for us dumb Americans. Keep in mind that anything experiencing tension will stretch back out (rises and thighs included....in my experience) but things like the inseam or hem will not. Basically consider the published measurements of the XHS to be where they will stretch to after wear in the waist, rises, and thigh but that the knee, hem, and inseam will be tighter or shorter after soaking/washing.
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FWIW, I have some 666XHS that were perfect new with measurements (and compared to my existing worn in denim) and I wish I would have sized down. I usually wear a 34 flat waist and wish I now had a size 33 was it taking in the post stretch and wear measurements like @neph93 says
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@pechelman more great work. I’m impressed how there’s this tendency towards spreadsheets. Not for me, but I love it.
In my experience, XHS does not shrink that much and will stretch out beyond pre-soak dims with wear, like @chrisjohnnick mentions.
That being said, I suspect both the w33 and w34 will work, but OP will likely need to consider what kind of fit he wants.
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You guys are amazing for thinking along with me! I have a feeling that the 33 will be the best fit, as long as they stretch enough in the thigh.. That's my only concern. Safest is the 34, especially with initial soak (and the fact they only stock one 34 and still have three 33s). However, with the 34 also concerned to get too much stretching ending up with a massive empty rear. If only there would be a voting system on this forum for you guys to decide with which one to go…. :-\
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When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?
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When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?
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Nope. But I use S-hooks, partially to about creases.
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When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?
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I use pattern hooks. Mostly do it so they can air out and such.
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When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?
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No, because I throw them on the floor
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I love it….....
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When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?
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They’re jeans.
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Yes they are jeans but they are also the most expensive clothing I own [emoji24]
I’m probably hanging this secondary pair (888xhs) up for months at a time. If there are creases how they hang, won’t those create fade lines in weird places?
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They’re by far the most expensive thing I own besides my car, and I haven’t ever noticed any damage from leaving them folded sometimes months at a time in my closet. Unless there’s a lot of pressure or abrasion or sunlight I can’t imagine an issue.
Your mileage may vary, of course. I’m sure that I’ve seen fade lines in pics from folding on jeans that have the kind of dye meant to crock away immediately, but in my experience Iron Hear jeans don’t do that.
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Could someone enlighten me on the difference between the Wesco MP Toe and the Western Toe? They look identical to me on the Wesco site. I’m assuming the western toe is a little more pointy but hard for me to tell from the website. Maybe I can see that the MP is a little more rounded?
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I went down a forum rabbit hole after looking up tshirts I purchased on here that are from 10 or so years ago. I saw and (have seen while reading elsewhere on here) references to the Stubborn Crew. Can someone explain to me what this is or was? And how they got that name? Is it the IH crew? Curious…
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The Stubborn Crew is us - sometimes we use/used it to refer to UK, sometimes to UK and Japan. When Paula and I were spitballing descriptors for Iron Heart back in 2006/7 (I wanted something a bit more inventive than "Extra Heavy") we came up with "Stubborn", I suspect there are references to Stubborn Denim all over the place, it thus became a natural extension of that to call us the Stubborn Crew (even though it was effectively just me at the time)…..
