What do you consider "raw" denim to mean?
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To me RAW = loomstate. That is probably why 85% of the jeans I have purchased off of this site are the UHR. And are my favorites.
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Yep, as said above, raw=loomstate for me. However, I think it's mostly BS marketing, as also said above. I don't particularly care what processing has or hasn't been done. Just give me accurate measurements and tell me what's been done. I can figure it out from there all by myself. I buy jeans based on whether I think the denim is interesting, and if I think they'll (eventually) fit.
Sometimes I get the second part of that wrong, like I did with both pairs of Studio d'Artisan jeans I've owned…
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the comments for the article are awesome
This one just makes my head hurt:
"The Sanforization process is designed to remove potential shrinkage from the fabric by moistening it with water or steam – that's a far cry from stone washing jeans. It's also functionally no different than unsanforized denim, as an educated buyer knows to soak an unsanforized pair prior to the first wear. So unsanforized and sanforized are essentially identical by the time the buyer puts on the jeans for the first time."Huh?
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Raw is synonymous with loomstate. Loomstate means exactly what comes off the loom, with zero post weave processing (inc washing or soaking).
And also contrary to what some people in the industry think, there are different "strengths" of sanforisation. Not all sanforisation is the same…..
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you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?
It was a pre bedtime post, and I have a rule, “Why use one word when you can use 259?”
It’s edited for clarity now but my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent, unique etc and the 21oz is a good example of that. It was tonnes of character despite it’s smooth even face, heavy sanforisation and fade retardant treatment. Hell, the SB denim isn’t even selvedge and doesn’t fade and is still more interesting than some Cone Mills denim I’ve owned.
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This one just makes my head hurt:
"The Sanforization process is designed to remove potential shrinkage from the fabric by moistening it with water or steam – that's a far cry from stone washing jeans. It's also functionally no different than unsanforized denim, as an educated buyer knows to soak an unsanforized pair prior to the first wear. So unsanforized and sanforized are essentially identical by the time the buyer puts on the jeans for the first time."Huh?
That was one of the comments that caused me to use "language unbefitting of a mod" when I said there was some horseshit in the comments. I fully understand that it offends your lawyerly sensibilities.
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Personally, I think of raw as loomstate. But there are A LOT of denim companies out there marketing “Raw” Selvedge jeans that have been sanforized or treated in many ways. That confuses me. Who is to
Say they are wrong? But either way I get excited when I see the word raw and then bummed when I read the details. -
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There should be. It’s like top grain leather is top grain leather. Raw denim should mean one thing.
