What do you consider "raw" denim to mean?
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For me raw is loomstate.
I am on the flip side of Monday, I love the guesswork and kinda get a buzz from the unknown. My first pair of loomstate jeans were a pair of samurai’s that I ordered from 2nd. I had to use google translate as they didn’t speak English or very little at the time. Was the most fun I had ordering jeans and managed to get the sizing right too.
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you hit it on the head about the marketing tool. tbh that's what it comes down to with most things.
random/ off topic'ish but i'll put it here anyway:
loomstate is overrated and never shrinks enough for me until like the fourth or fifth wash. i rather sanforized because i'm a wuss and hate spending money to try to shrink my denim to fit. i like the guesswork taken out the entire more art than science concept of shrinking denim. in a perfect world i would be able to purchase UHRs pre-shrunk in any IronHeart cut I want (301s or 555s) well made, quality and interesting denim that fits.
you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?
I actually disagree and will say that loomstate is underrated. The reasons you just gave for not preferring loomstate denim seems to be a much more popular opinion than actually enjoying loomstate denim. IIRC Giles even stated that the UHR did not sell as well as they would have like for those reasons. Most people don't like the unpredictable nature of loomstate, therefore underrated IMO.
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For me raw is loomstate.
I am on the flip side of Monday, I love the guesswork and kinda get a buzz from the unknown. My first pair of loomstate jeans were a pair of samurai’s that I ordered from 2nd. I had to use google translate as they didn’t speak English or very little at the time. Was the most fun I had ordering jeans and managed to get the sizing right too.
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To me RAW = loomstate. That is probably why 85% of the jeans I have purchased off of this site are the UHR. And are my favorites.
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Yep, as said above, raw=loomstate for me. However, I think it's mostly BS marketing, as also said above. I don't particularly care what processing has or hasn't been done. Just give me accurate measurements and tell me what's been done. I can figure it out from there all by myself. I buy jeans based on whether I think the denim is interesting, and if I think they'll (eventually) fit.
Sometimes I get the second part of that wrong, like I did with both pairs of Studio d'Artisan jeans I've owned…
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the comments for the article are awesome
This one just makes my head hurt:
"The Sanforization process is designed to remove potential shrinkage from the fabric by moistening it with water or steam – that's a far cry from stone washing jeans. It's also functionally no different than unsanforized denim, as an educated buyer knows to soak an unsanforized pair prior to the first wear. So unsanforized and sanforized are essentially identical by the time the buyer puts on the jeans for the first time."Huh?
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Raw is synonymous with loomstate. Loomstate means exactly what comes off the loom, with zero post weave processing (inc washing or soaking).
And also contrary to what some people in the industry think, there are different "strengths" of sanforisation. Not all sanforisation is the same…..
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you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?
It was a pre bedtime post, and I have a rule, “Why use one word when you can use 259?”
It’s edited for clarity now but my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent, unique etc and the 21oz is a good example of that. It was tonnes of character despite it’s smooth even face, heavy sanforisation and fade retardant treatment. Hell, the SB denim isn’t even selvedge and doesn’t fade and is still more interesting than some Cone Mills denim I’ve owned.
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This one just makes my head hurt:
"The Sanforization process is designed to remove potential shrinkage from the fabric by moistening it with water or steam – that's a far cry from stone washing jeans. It's also functionally no different than unsanforized denim, as an educated buyer knows to soak an unsanforized pair prior to the first wear. So unsanforized and sanforized are essentially identical by the time the buyer puts on the jeans for the first time."Huh?
That was one of the comments that caused me to use "language unbefitting of a mod" when I said there was some horseshit in the comments. I fully understand that it offends your lawyerly sensibilities.
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Personally, I think of raw as loomstate. But there are A LOT of denim companies out there marketing “Raw” Selvedge jeans that have been sanforized or treated in many ways. That confuses me. Who is to
Say they are wrong? But either way I get excited when I see the word raw and then bummed when I read the details. -
