What do you consider "raw" denim to mean?
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you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?
It was a pre bedtime post, and I have a rule, “Why use one word when you can use 259?”
It’s edited for clarity now but my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent, unique etc and the 21oz is a good example of that. It was tonnes of character despite it’s smooth even face, heavy sanforisation and fade retardant treatment. Hell, the SB denim isn’t even selvedge and doesn’t fade and is still more interesting than some Cone Mills denim I’ve owned.
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This one just makes my head hurt:
"The Sanforization process is designed to remove potential shrinkage from the fabric by moistening it with water or steam – that's a far cry from stone washing jeans. It's also functionally no different than unsanforized denim, as an educated buyer knows to soak an unsanforized pair prior to the first wear. So unsanforized and sanforized are essentially identical by the time the buyer puts on the jeans for the first time."Huh?
That was one of the comments that caused me to use "language unbefitting of a mod" when I said there was some horseshit in the comments. I fully understand that it offends your lawyerly sensibilities.
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Personally, I think of raw as loomstate. But there are A LOT of denim companies out there marketing “Raw” Selvedge jeans that have been sanforized or treated in many ways. That confuses me. Who is to
Say they are wrong? But either way I get excited when I see the word raw and then bummed when I read the details. -
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There should be. It’s like top grain leather is top grain leather. Raw denim should mean one thing.
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@Matty123 "raw denim" does mean one thing to people who are ingrained in and speak the language (at least on this forum).
to the casual shopper the term raw denim tends to be what ever the manufacture is peddling that day to grab the customer.
look at it like eggs, you got a raw egg, you got the 1 minute egg that is super runny, 3 minute egg little less runny, hard boiled egg, etc.
they all eggs but you know
off topic but I always am
again great topic @neph93 as there is a super easy and clear answer to the initial question but it can branch off into so many other things based on each persons experience
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my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent
good point but not easy to put into a quick sound bite to get consumers to spend their money by the old guard selling fast fashion to consumers and are just trying to turn a profit
as consumers become more educated and the rise of conscious consumerism with brands like Patagonia i think it will change, slowly, but change none the less
what is also funny is that every one has a voice, which is a good thing, but you get a lot of misinformed people making arguments that do not hold water.
you would not argue about the color or fruit orange, since it is a universal fact it should be the same with the term raw denim, but you know
I mentioned oranges and eggs, I am hungry time to get some grub
