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@slack0 Still trying to get more info for you, but here’s a little to start.
@Giles said in IRON CAST by Iron Heart International:
I never really got to the bottom of FreeBee, other than I think it was an early version of Triple Works. By that I mean, stuff that H wanted to make, but did not think it fitted in with the IH aesthetic…..
@sabergirl Thank you!
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@slack0 …just a post about the Freebee’s compared to the IH 21oz…https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum//post/403573
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Anyone have a recommendation for a good quality hard sunglasses/ glasses case? Something strong enough to put in luggage?
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Have you ever "ripped" off a non snaps shirt?
I came close last night lol. Glad it was IH. A weaker stitch would've gave out. I can't be the only one.
John 1 1-3 ❤️♥️❤️♥️
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@CosmoSix5 yeah! Couple of time with my Wabash work shirt, held up fantastically well
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@CosmoSix5 Question moved here.
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@CosmoSix5 I’m sorry you feel this way, but this would be the correct area for that question.
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Might be a silly one, but is the machinery of the average high street tailor capable of hemming heavy denim such as 21oz and UHR?
Got lucky and scored some 21oz IB 666s on Markkt for a steal, and wanna get them hemmed alongside my UHR, as I'm kinda of bored of the cuffed denim look at the moment.
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@Mister_Brue they've done good jobs with Wabash and 18oz denim in the past, and are the best rated tailor in my city.. I'll speak to the guy!
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Maybe it's just me, but has there been some measurement "drift" across different patterns/cuts? Seems like a lot of shirts are shrinking in shoulder measurements and increasing in arm length. I've also noticed waist measurements, relative to the other ones on a given size, are varying to the point that I've been exploring other cuts. For example, my 888 waist measurement has been getting wider legs, so I looked at the 555, and they seem to be moving in the opposite direction - waist is increasing next to the other dimensions. I understand that it's natural to have some variation and it's an art, not a science. I guess I need to just accept that some items just aren't for me if the measurements are off for needs. Credit to the crew though, you guys always do a fantastic job digging through the stock for off-chart specific needs. Sorry for being picky!
"The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
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@WhiskeySandwich I feel like it has happened,over the years,for me, in the 555 cut. The thighs have steadily increased over time from what they initially were. Never knew what to call it. Measurement drift is a good assessment.
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@Jett129 regardless, the measurement charts are indispensable. Hell of a lot better than just ordering your regular size and going "damn, that one don't fit like the others."
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I don’t think there’s a huge amount of evidence to support a pattern of measurements shifting in any particular direction, the measurements change as you point out…which is why we always measure the new runs just like you say. Perhaps on a shirt you’ve been looking at over the last 2 runs the measurements have shifted in a certain way and it’s easy to perceive that as a meaningful shift in certain direction but on the next run it could be the opposite, we just never know until we’ve got them in hand.
As you say, its an art not a science - different runs of fabric, even when woven on the same loom as previously, can have subtlety different characteristics from earlier runs, let alone all the other variables: The person in the factory interpreting Haraki-San’s patterns changes and the new person might ‘give it an extra 0.1 for safety’ when cutting and that results in a change to the result, maybe a machine has been freshly serviced and runs a little differently and that changes the result, perhaps they get made in summer rather than winter and the difference in ambient temperature or humidity changes the result ect ect ect
It’s human nature to seek patterns from randomness, even if a true cause or correlation isn’t present.
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@Ross of course i agree with you 100%. Didn't mean to pick nits, just conveying my perception. The only 'meaningful' way it would affect things at my level would be whether the measurements suit me, in particular, or not.
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It's also something that I felt was happening, @WhiskeySandwich (specifically with shirts)
I talked it through with Haraki, we both went away and checked historic measurements and couldn't really find any firm evidence to suggest I was correct. As Ross says, things vary run to run, sometimes we may get a run of three shirts in a row that you are interested in that are all a little smaller than we'd expect, but at the same time, the 5 that you were not interested in and therefore didnt check the dimensions of could all have been as expected or slightly larger.
Ultimately, does it matter? We publish the charts to help you choose, does it matter if you have some L, some XL and some XXL tops? If we got to a point where XS or 4XL guys can never fit shirts or jackets as they are too big or too small respectively, we know we have a real issue
before the black hole was used.
