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    • SeulS
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      Swastikas in these new Calee shorts pics kinda took me by surprise… Is this a good idea?..  😶

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      • S
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        Many would like to “reclaim” the symbol for its native or Buddhist origins. I for one am unable to divorce it from the hatred of Nazis, and find it too confusing to try and parse intention or origin.

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        • chrisjohnnickC
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          Oh man, no that is not a good idea. Not in any way.

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          IHSH-254-Grey Kersey, L-XL
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          IHJ-142-BLK or IND, M

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          • DmartD
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            Not a good idea, it will get confused…

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            • jerkulesJ
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              I think, given that the other tattoos are traditional Buddhist symbols and Thai flag etc., the tattoo is clearly also a symbol for Buddhism. You see them everywhere in temples in Thailand and other SE Asian countries.

              I totally understand people’s aversion to that particular symbol. However, the thought of a Buddhist or Thai person not being able to proudly display their ancient symbol of their religion/country feels wrong. Especially considering the symbol was appropriated by racist white Europeans. As a white European, I’d never consider it my place to go around telling a Buddhist to cover or remove that symbol to protect my sensitivity to that symbol. I completely understand the need to take that symbol back. Anyway, just my 2cents.

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              • AnesthetistA
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                Well said [mention]jerkules [/mention]

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                • GilesG
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                  The photo is of Johnny, who is Thai and a Buddhist…..

                  It's not up to me or @Alex to censor things that are important to others….

                  The symbol is used a lot by native American Indians (if I am actually allowed to call them that in the Woke world we live in), and I wouldn't dream of telling them to buff it out of their silver jewellery because it offended my privileged white sensibilities.....

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • CutlasshoundC
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                    @jerkules:

                    I think, given that the other tattoos are traditional Buddhist symbols and Thai flag etc., the tattoo is clearly also a symbol for Buddhism. You see them everywhere in temples in Thailand and other SE Asian countries.

                    I totally understand people’s aversion to that particular symbol. However, the thought of a Buddhist or Thai person not being able to proudly display their ancient symbol of their religion/country feels wrong. Especially considering the symbol was appropriated by racist white Europeans. As a white European, I’d never consider it my place to go around telling a Buddhist to cover or remove that symbol to protect my sensitivity to that symbol. I completely understand the need to take that symbol back. Anyway, just my 2cents.

                    Well said mate!

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                    • OaktaviaO
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                      Well said @jerkules and @Giles

                      The swastika appears in many forms of geometric patterns in many countries in contemporary contexts. Lately, it has appeared intertwined into intricate tattoo designs in parts of Europe and Asia.

                      I find it to be a visually beautiful symbol in the right contexts, not just the rigid, angular version that we sometimes recognize as a symbol of Nazism. It is a shame those bozos couldn't be creative enough to make up their own symbol.

                      Here are some images I would like to share:

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                      • neph93N
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                        @Giles:

                        The photo is of Johnny, who is Thai and a Buddhist…..

                        It's not up to me or @Alex to censor things that are important to others….

                        I wouldn't dream of telling them to buff it out of their silver jewellery because it offended my privileged white sensibilities.....

                        This is so woke [emoji1]

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                        We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                        • MattM
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                          Ah, the gentle swastika.

                          I’d like to think that in an alternate universe the Nazis chose this little guy instead…

                          And they all lived happily ever after.

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                          • MattM
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                            Not so sure about this guy though…

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                            • Daniel SanD
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                              No guys this is not what it looks like  😃
                              Something I always wanted to know is why the water at first soak turns yellow/ orange . Normally I would expect it to become blue. This time it is very intensiv. Soaked my new IHSH- 33 ind .

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                              • GilesG
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                                Sizing agent, usually starch…..

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                • jordanscollectedJ
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                                  and if it's yellow, it's most likely corn derived as opposed to rice or tapioca.

                                  Here's a recent starch cook up demo I did at work (there is a yellowish hue to the corn version). waxy corn starch (higher amylopectin) on the left, and various rice and tapioca starches on the right.

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                                  • Daniel SanD
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                                    Ah ok 👍
                                    Thank you Giles !
                                    Do you have internet on Pilgrim?  😃

                                    @jordanscollected
                                    Now that’s interesting, never thought they use that for starch 🤔
                                    And the drink in the back ? Whiskey Cola starch 😄?

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                                    • motojoboboM
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                                      that info on starch colors is very cool @jordanscollected 👍🏼👍🏼 !

                                      Wonder whether the different sources of starch give different ‘sizing agent’ characteristics too, beyond color.

                                      The journey is the objective.

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                                      • OaktaviaO
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                                        @Matt:

                                        Not so sure about this guy though…

                                        The author of the book, who went by ManWoman was an eccentric and his drawing certainly reflect that lol.

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                                        • jordanscollectedJ
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                                          @Daniel San the drink in the back is cold brew coffee!  Corn and rice, i believe followed by tapioca are the most popular starches used in the food industry. Corn is the least expensive, but it's getting harder to source because most corn is grown in the US, and then shipped to the east to be processed into starch. with shipping costs increasing worldwide, its sending starch prices through the roof.

                                          @motojobobo There may be differences in the fabric with what starch is used (of course I don't know what they are using, and we have to account for the indigo to be effecting the water color too. In food, there a massive difference in what starch is used. One quick example is rice starch, the particulates are much smaller than corn starch, and they provide a much better velvety mouthfeel in soups and sauces.

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                                          • NikN
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                                            That's interesting @jordanscollected what were you doing with the different kinds of starch?

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