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    EdH
    Iron Heart Deity
    @Giles
    Joined: 2 Jan 2022

    @Giles said in Brexshit:

    advisory not mandatory. 51:49 or whatever it was, Dave should have said that it was too close to be overwhelming

    Technically true, the referendum was only advisory, but that's for arcane legal reasons to do with the UK's constitutional framework.

    You'd have to weigh the political risks of invoking Article 50 and leaving the EU with the risks of going against the result of a referendum which, on a political level at least, you've promised people would be binding.

    I'm not sure whether I'd like to see what would happen if Dave had decided to go back on that promise and refuse to Brexit after making such a promise.

    *Edit: you've reminded me of fascinating legal-political arguments which were going on over at the UK Constitutional Law Association's blogs back in 2016-2019. The nerd in me now wants to go back and re-read them. 😅 *

    Take the dive...

    last edited by EdH 4 May 2024, 16:46 5 Apr 2024, 16:43 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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      Giles
      IHUK Crew
      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

      Never take anything that I say as something I wholeheartedly believe in. I like taking a position and pushing it a little bit...It's like my recollections of events are always more humorous and interesting than actuality. Real life can always be improved upon 🙂

      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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        goosehd
        Mod Squad
        @Giles
        Joined: 8 Apr 2016

        @Giles …and that makes you a good host!

        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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          EdH
          Iron Heart Deity
          @Giles
          Joined: 2 Jan 2022

          @Giles said in Brexshit:

          Never take anything that I say as something I wholeheartedly believe in. I like taking a position and pushing it a little bit...

          Don't worry. One side-effect of my first degree being PPE (with most of it being philosophy options) and being surrounded by much smarter people than me is that I have a tendency to think that way myself and assume that everyone is testing their points by making them publicly.

          I have consequently developed a bad habit of prefacing most of my statements with "I think" when I talk. (My boss thinks I'm trying to be some combination of too-lawyerly, non-committal, and/or evasive all the time. I have to keep explaining that I'm always half-expecting a counter argument to every utterance I make, even if it's as obvious as "water is wet".)

          Take the dive...

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            Tago Mago
            Mod Squad
            @EdH
            Joined: 16 Jan 2021

            @EdH said in Brexshit:

            "water is wet"

            that's what they want you to believe, you fool!

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              EdH
              Iron Heart Deity
              @Tago Mago
              Joined: 2 Jan 2022

              @Tago-Mago

              To immediately counter myself... a single molecule of H2O is still water, but wetness is an emergent property of there being a sufficient number of H2O molecules in one place to reduce friction between two other objects.

              See what I mean! I can't help thinking this way, it's awful. 🤣

              Take the dive...

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                Tago Mago
                Mod Squad
                @EdH
                Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                @EdH you forgot to take pressure and temperature into consideration. Depending on these, a substance could thermodynamically exist as solid, liquid or gas, or even all at once in equilibrium

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                  goosehd
                  Mod Squad
                  Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                  drinking with you guys should be fun 🙂

                  "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                    mclaincausey
                    見習いボス
                    @EdH
                    Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                    @EdH said in Brexshit:

                    @Tago-Mago

                    To immediately counter myself... a single molecule of H2O is still water,

                    Is it though? In my mind “water” refers to the liquid state of H2O. You can’t have a liquid with a single molecule.

                    Think it, be it.

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                      Tago Mago
                      Mod Squad
                      Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                      I just wanted to thank everyone for this discussion, @EdH in particular for adding a totally different perspective and introducing a number of aspects, that I either wasn’t aware of or hadn’t considered. I still think Brexit was a bad idea 😉

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                        IrishHeart
                        Haraki san Expert
                        @Tago Mago
                        Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                        @Tago-Mago agreed, except for the bit about water which has gone right over my head 🙂

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                          ARNC
                          啓蒙家
                          @IrishHeart
                          Joined: 13 Dec 2020

                          @IrishHeart it’s not good for water to go right over your head, at least not for a prolonged period 😃

                          “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                            IrishHeart
                            Haraki san Expert
                            @ARNC
                            Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                            @ARNC haha! Good observation, although at 6’4 it has to be pretty deep!

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                              louisbosco
                              啓蒙家
                              @Giles
                              Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                              @Giles said in Brexshit:

                              AND, the result of the vote was advisory not mandatory.

                              this very point. it also would've career suicide for anyone to go "nah, we're not going to follow the referendum" and DC didn't want to be the person to invoke article 50 so he resigned and said some one else can deal with this..

                              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                              • Harvey Specter
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                                T4920
                                見習いボス
                                Joined: 27 Apr 2022

                                On the subject of Brexit, from an IH business point of view, what was the biggest ramification that came about as a result of it?
                                And if any, what were the positives?

                                @Giles @Alex

                                “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                                  Giles
                                  IHUK Crew
                                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                  Overnight, we did not just ship a package to The EU, we had to export it. So although there is a free trade agreement between The EU and Japan and a similar one between The UK and Japan, all non-UK-produced goods attract 12% duty, so upon entry into The EU, our shipments were subject to duty and also VAT on the sum of the declared price plus the duty. So we either shipped to EU and let the customer deal with that shit (something they had not had to do before) or ship and pay the duty and the tax ourselves, in both cases with the high probability that the shipping company would also charge us, or the customer additional "handling" fees. We elected to do the latter and shield the customer from the grief. Then if a customer needs to return the goods, there is no sensible way that we can claim a refund for the tax, the duty or additional fees. The single worst example being a customer who ordered 2 pairs of Wesco boots and returned both pairs - revenue zero, cost of sale €500.

                                  No positives at all.

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                  • T4920T
                                    T4920
                                    見習いボス
                                    @Giles
                                    Joined: 27 Apr 2022

                                    @Giles that sounds awful!
                                    I assume that's how/why IH Germany came about, to serve the EU market whilst circumnavigating these export fees?

                                    “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

                                    last edited by 2 May 2024, 11:18 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                      Giles
                                      IHUK Crew
                                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                      In part yes.

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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