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    EdH
    Iron Heart Deity
    @Giles
    Joined: 2 Jan 2022

    @Giles said in Brexshit:

    Never take anything that I say as something I wholeheartedly believe in. I like taking a position and pushing it a little bit...

    Don't worry. One side-effect of my first degree being PPE (with most of it being philosophy options) and being surrounded by much smarter people than me is that I have a tendency to think that way myself and assume that everyone is testing their points by making them publicly.

    I have consequently developed a bad habit of prefacing most of my statements with "I think" when I talk. (My boss thinks I'm trying to be some combination of too-lawyerly, non-committal, and/or evasive all the time. I have to keep explaining that I'm always half-expecting a counter argument to every utterance I make, even if it's as obvious as "water is wet".)

    Take the dive...

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      Tago Mago
      Mod Squad
      @EdH
      Joined: 16 Jan 2021

      @EdH said in Brexshit:

      "water is wet"

      that's what they want you to believe, you fool!

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        EdH
        Iron Heart Deity
        @Tago Mago
        Joined: 2 Jan 2022

        @Tago-Mago

        To immediately counter myself... a single molecule of H2O is still water, but wetness is an emergent property of there being a sufficient number of H2O molecules in one place to reduce friction between two other objects.

        See what I mean! I can't help thinking this way, it's awful. 🤣

        Take the dive...

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          Tago Mago
          Mod Squad
          @EdH
          Joined: 16 Jan 2021

          @EdH you forgot to take pressure and temperature into consideration. Depending on these, a substance could thermodynamically exist as solid, liquid or gas, or even all at once in equilibrium

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            goosehd
            Mod Squad
            Joined: 8 Apr 2016

            drinking with you guys should be fun 🙂

            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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              mclaincausey
              見習いボス
              @EdH
              Joined: 12 Apr 2013

              @EdH said in Brexshit:

              @Tago-Mago

              To immediately counter myself... a single molecule of H2O is still water,

              Is it though? In my mind “water” refers to the liquid state of H2O. You can’t have a liquid with a single molecule.

              Think it, be it.

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                Tago Mago
                Mod Squad
                Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                I just wanted to thank everyone for this discussion, @EdH in particular for adding a totally different perspective and introducing a number of aspects, that I either wasn’t aware of or hadn’t considered. I still think Brexit was a bad idea 😉

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                  IrishHeart
                  Haraki san Expert
                  @Tago Mago
                  Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                  @Tago-Mago agreed, except for the bit about water which has gone right over my head 🙂

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                    ARNC
                    啓蒙家
                    @IrishHeart
                    Joined: 13 Dec 2020

                    @IrishHeart it’s not good for water to go right over your head, at least not for a prolonged period 😃

                    “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                      IrishHeart
                      Haraki san Expert
                      @ARNC
                      Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                      @ARNC haha! Good observation, although at 6’4 it has to be pretty deep!

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                        louisbosco
                        啓蒙家
                        @Giles
                        Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                        @Giles said in Brexshit:

                        AND, the result of the vote was advisory not mandatory.

                        this very point. it also would've career suicide for anyone to go "nah, we're not going to follow the referendum" and DC didn't want to be the person to invoke article 50 so he resigned and said some one else can deal with this..

                        "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                          T4920
                          見習いボス
                          Joined: 27 Apr 2022

                          On the subject of Brexit, from an IH business point of view, what was the biggest ramification that came about as a result of it?
                          And if any, what were the positives?

                          @Giles @Alex

                          “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                            Giles
                            IHUK Crew
                            Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                            Overnight, we did not just ship a package to The EU, we had to export it. So although there is a free trade agreement between The EU and Japan and a similar one between The UK and Japan, all non-UK-produced goods attract 12% duty, so upon entry into The EU, our shipments were subject to duty and also VAT on the sum of the declared price plus the duty. So we either shipped to EU and let the customer deal with that shit (something they had not had to do before) or ship and pay the duty and the tax ourselves, in both cases with the high probability that the shipping company would also charge us, or the customer additional "handling" fees. We elected to do the latter and shield the customer from the grief. Then if a customer needs to return the goods, there is no sensible way that we can claim a refund for the tax, the duty or additional fees. The single worst example being a customer who ordered 2 pairs of Wesco boots and returned both pairs - revenue zero, cost of sale €500.

                            No positives at all.

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              T4920
                              見習いボス
                              @Giles
                              Joined: 27 Apr 2022

                              @Giles that sounds awful!
                              I assume that's how/why IH Germany came about, to serve the EU market whilst circumnavigating these export fees?

                              “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                                Giles
                                IHUK Crew
                                Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                In part yes.

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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