Random questions to which you seek an answer

[Alex]

@Karol I guess because they were designed to be Western Shirts

[Karol]

@Alex Thanks!! OK, it finally makes sense. I don’t know why but I always thought about them as the CPO type (as it is more of an overshirt).
I just love how successfully you guys added the handwarmer pockets to most of the CPOs

[Mister_Brue]

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[Matt]

It is. Just a clerical error I’m sure.

[AdamJ]

@Mister_Brue Good spot! I am working on the new Hall of Fades as we speak. It will be maintained/regularly updated better than the current version.

Have sorted the above, thanks.

[mrimpractical]

Anybody able to explain the difference between original 14oz and the 142 denim? I know the weft is double-twisted, but wondering how this affects the end product. Based on IG posts it seems that the Japanese market stuck with the original 14oz, curious why that might be.

[Giles]

They did not stick with the original, they decided to stay with the original nomenclature, even though the denim changed. Alex and I decided to append the 2, so it was a distinct product variant. The double twist gives heft but not weight and makes the denim softer...

[JohnM]

888s vs. 1955s

The 888s has more taper from the knee down, but how do these cuts compare in the top block? I've heard the 1955s has a slightly higher rise, but am interested in understanding any other differences. Thanks, John

[goosehd]

@ShopatIronHeart

[Bailey]

@JohnM the 1955 and the 888 are very similar, the 1955's are slightly higher in the rise and wider in the leg.

Comparison of the main cuts found here: https://www.ironheart.co.uk/content/cut-comparison

[Alex]

@Bailey said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

@JohnM the 1955 and the 888 are very similar, the 1955's are slightly higher in the rise and wider in the leg.

Comparison of the main cuts found here: https://www.ironheart.co.uk/content/cut-comparison

You can also do comparisons on the website, see here:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum//post/7686

I've done one for you, see here:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/module/leofeature/productscompare?list=230,1478

Some tag sizes visible below:

[JohnM]

^ Thanks Bailey and Alex. I was just comparing sizes 35 and 36 in these two cuts (though it applies to all sizes). The waist is quite a bit larger on the 1955s compared with the 888s -- more than 1" larger. Curious if you might know why this is. Based on the charts, one could easily size down in the 1955s compared to the 888s -- agree?

[IRONGARR]

Ideas for what I could use for a new fade comp
Weights, denim types, item types ....any advice is welcome

[Alex]

When comparing jeans, compare actual waist to actual waist as best you can. Our jeans vary run to run, due to human error, so sometimes the actual waist doesn’t match the tag size

[Tago Mago]

@IRONGARR welcome to the forum. FYI I have moved your post to this thread.

Take a look at the cut comparison to get an idea of the different core cuts:

https://www.ironheart.co.uk/content/cut-comparison

Ideally, you want to measure a pair of denim that fits you well, as described here:

https://www.ironheart.co.uk/content/how-we-measure-bottoms

As far as denim weight goes, the 21oz is a great place to start imo. Check out the Indigo Invitational threads from past years for additional ideas and inspiration:

https://www.ironhearteu.com/forum/category/36/heavy-weight-contests-competitions

[JohnM]

@Alex Got it -- there is variation from run to run and you guys have been great at providing actual measurements -- appreciated.

Would you attribute the chart waist differential between the 888s and 1955s mostly to this (run to run variation) or would you guess the 1955s's waist does tend to run larger than the 888s's? Just curious, no problem if there's no way to know.

[Alex]

No, It is not by design. It will either be run to run variance or the fact that a sample was approved when its waist was not the correct size without that being noticed and it’s continued from there.

[Subprime]

@JoshC I'd 100% buy a 21oz cap

[ManiacLachy]

How should you size a trucker jacket to fit? How do you all feel it should fit, generally? Loose and baggy, or slim and fitted?

I'm eyeing the IH-526-ODG and trying to work out my size. I feel a trucker should fit quite slim to the body, but with enough room to wear a layer like a flannel underneath. I don't have to button up over a layer often, it rarely gets that cold here - I'm so jealous of you all layered up in cold snowy conditions while I'm sweating in shorts and a t-shirt.

I've got an old Jean Shop type III (un-modified) trucker, that's only just too small. It's OK open or with just a thin t-shirt, but if I wear a flannel or sweater as a layer and do the jacket up, it's like a sausage casing and pulling across the chest.

The Jean Shop has a P2P of 22.25" and a shoulder of 19.5". I'm thinking the IH-526-ODG in XXXL is about right for me with a P2P of 22.7" and shoulder of 20.7". Would that give me that little extra room for layering and movement, but not get too loose? Would it still be too tight? I think the 4XL is too big in comparison, especially in the other measurements.

Final thought, I just picked up the IHSH-372-BRN in XXL (my first IH piece), measured P2P of 23.25" and shoulder of 20", fit's pretty perfectly. How do you size your heavy flannels vs a Type III? Is it normal to go for a smaller P2P on the trucker than the flannel?

[ManiacLachy]

@Mister_Brue the 372 is pretty spot on. I could lose a few fractions of an inch on the P2P, but not much.