IHSH-409-IB - 19oz Selvedge Denim CPO Shirt - Indigo/Black
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A lot of IH shirts are like this. I'm not sure its an error.
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@kojimastreets looks great!
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I received mine begin of the week and must say I also noticed the pocket thing while looking in the mirror, and I'm not normally good with details.
I ordered another one from another retailer to compare but the placement is the same.I agree with others that everyone is free to send the products back (and I'm sure they'll sell again in no time) , but I understand it can be disappointing since its probably the last release for this one, and everyone and his grand mother wanted one
Seeing the various product pictures put by @samo it looks a bit more like symmetric placement is maybe not always what is optimal for when one will wear it (But I don't have this on the recent 13.5 oz dobby cloth CPO)
I looked again at all the picture from this thread, and imo this batch has maybe this thing a bit more accentuated. Enough pictures to see it.But honestly, when wearing it and moving around a bit in front of the mirror, it's more difficult to see, and I think I do now because I have noticed it
Especially with some layers, fabric is moving and the closed button line tends to move a lot, making this "asymmetry" practically invisible.
So could very well be that the placement is done to account for how the fabric will move/mold onto the body.It's everyone choice to keep it or not ! Still debating but I'll probably keep it.
Pictures if I do
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Not sure but could it be there are these visual pocket alignment things only with certain sizes? I really don't wanna drag this conversation on. My SP-large doesn't have any and it looks symmetrical. I appreciate and accept minor things personally especially when things are hand sewn with high quality construction.
Although I must say I do not blame if someone is not happy with for example a clearly visible chest pocket misalignment. My knowledge of sewing is limited, but I know things that aren't either pattern matched (not the case here) or have pockets that aren't aligned would not win the British sewing bee. And of course for many people such a garment is a big investment as well so their feedback is justified.
The distance from the placket would not bother me but if the pocket are misaligned I would also be slightly dissapointed. -
@kojimastreets That is a killer combo. I need duck 888s to go with mine.
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Just jumped on a return to Iron Heart Germany. Shout out to @Shane-B for keeping me in the loop and hooking me up.
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I heard back from support, they effectively and politely said If you're not happy, you can return it.
Obviously, It's a very popular item, so I understand how they (IH UK) could take that approach. A little surprising for such a premium product, to be honest, but I think I'll live with it. Otherwise, it is a gorgeous shirt.
Hopefully, we all can put this whole Pocket Gate topic to rest now. Future buyers beware. I'm tempted to bust out the seam ripper and align it myself, but... Risky, risky.
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What I find interesting about this whole thing is that IH basically gave the answer. They looked at it and said if you’re unhappy, return it. That tells me they don’t consider the pocket placement to be outside their acceptable construction tolerance.
And honestly, on a 19 oz denim shirt, I think that matters. This isn’t lightweight shirting where everything is going to lie perfectly flat and measure like drafting paper. You’ve got heavy twill, multiple layers through the placket, seam tension, fabric torque, washing, pressing and the natural movement of the garment itself. A pocket can be correctly positioned relative to the body, side seam and armhole and still measure a little differently to the placket when the shirt is laid flat.
Mine is roughly 3/8 inch different side to side. You can absolutely find it with a tape measure. Put the shirt on and you don’t see it at all.
That’s kind of where I get lost with some of this stuff. If the only way to identify the problem is to lay the garment flat, measure it, photograph it and study it, while it has no effect on fit, wear or appearance when actually being worn, I’m not sure how significant the problem really is.
And for the love of God, I would not take a seam ripper to a $400 shirt that you otherwise think is gorgeous.
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I don’t even think I could do this with bong in hand…Seriously though I really love the dedication, I’m just not built for it
Edit: 🥵 93° here today but feels like 103°@selveldgesteps
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@WithBongInHand great fit
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@northsouthdenimguy Oh dude I work in an office. I’m not that tough.
@Jord Thanks man!
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@hugothecowboy
Agree. If you scroll up you can see the pic of mine. After doing a bit more research, I have accepted the difference from center-line. But my pockets themselves were not close to aligned at the top, which I would never be able to tolerate. -
Not sure about the pockets but I LOVE the fit of mine, I am not a guy who can layer because I run extremely hot so all my CPOs are shirt sized, now if only it was cool enough to wear it!
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Is it just me or does this fabric give UHR vibes? Like a 19 oz IB UHR.
