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    sabergirl
    見習いボス
    Joined: 4 Oct 2013

    Haha @goosehd

    I wish I could join you all for drinks and a good discussion!

    I’ve enjoyed reading this dialogue immensely and sort of wish that we were able to have civil discourse about the state of US politics in the same vein. But I know that ain’t ever gonna happen, and it’s probably best for the sanctity of the forum that we always leave that third rail alone.

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      goosehd
      Mod Squad
      @sabergirl
      Joined: 8 Apr 2016

      @sabergirl ❤️ One day my friend!

      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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        Tobi
        Haraki san Prodigy
        Joined: 12 Aug 2022

        To put in a word for the EU (as a political system): I lived and worked in 4 European countries, including 3 years in the UK (made possible by it then being in the EU). I now work for the European Environment Agency, a independent EU agency where 300 dedicated colleagues from 36 countries work together for the shared European Environment. Knowing the system from the inside, I would plea that with all justified criticism, the positive aspects are not forgotten! I have yet to meet the caricature of the entitled, undemocratic EU bureaucrat. Withdrawing from environmental cooperation and networks was a HUGE loss for both the UK and EU, and the shared cause of keeping this planet a livable place.

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          Giles
          IHUK Crew
          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

          A few days after the Brexit vote, I had to be in. Berlin. I bumped into a German friend (one of the most intelligent and open-minded people I know) who was having a coffee at a streetside cafe, I was not in a rush, so I joined him for a drink.

          His first retort was "Oh Giles, what have you done?" After I rather pitifully and pathetically blamed it on everyone else but me, he went on to say, "You know, The EU was Germanys' gift to Europe, it was our attempt to bring peace and harmony to all European nations as atonement for some of the awful things we had done to Europe throughout the 20th century, and we feel butt-hurt and devastated that the UK has basically said "you can fuck right off to the olive branch we proffered."...

          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            goosehd
            Mod Squad
            Joined: 8 Apr 2016

            One of the things that made a huge impact on me growing up was the fall of the Berlin Wall, the democratization of former Bloc countries, and the EU working together for mutual benefits...I thought if that many countries could find some type of agreement, then the rest of the world could do the same...

            I still have hope...

            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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              JunkPants
              Haraki san Student
              @EdH
              Joined: 20 Nov 2022

              Not a UK citizen, but in many ways I sympathise with the principle @EdH presents, and I think I would have been inclined to vote the same. As it happens I also have a law degree (master's), which perhaps has some bearing on it.

              Here in Norway (while not a member of the EU) as a result of the EEA agreement we have to abide by EU legislation to a large extent, while having very little influence over it. Which I personally find to be 'not-even-close-to-democratic-enough-for-me'.

              Back to denim talk now 😌

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                louisbosco
                啓蒙家
                @Tobi
                Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                @Tobi so you're the one to blame for my motorcycles and cars exhaust sounding like crap now... ahahahahaha 😂 😂 😂

                "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                • Harvey Specter
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                  Matt
                  見習いボス
                  Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                  Admittedly I don’t know much of the nuance surrounding Brexit as it doesn’t come up much in my circles. However I’m sure after a few drinks I’ll be a self proclaimed expert so count me in. I have LOTS to say about our own special brand of US fascism nationalism.

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                    Tobi
                    Haraki san Prodigy
                    @louisbosco
                    Joined: 12 Aug 2022

                    @louisbosco nope.. this is coming from Brussels (but underpinned by a lot of research on the health effects of traffic noise). I map forests and such from satellite images to help keep track of greenhouse gas emissions and removals from land use 🙂

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                      IrishHeart
                      Haraki san Expert
                      @EdH
                      Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                      @EdH of all the articles written in favour of leaving the EU, you have given the most compelling and articulate argument that I have read, so thank you for that.
                      I still remain firmly of the belief that the advantages of remaining within the EU massively outweighed the disadvantages.

                      One other area ( close to my own heart) was that I can’t see that any proper consideration was given to how we would trade with the island of Ireland. Anything that was likely to jeopardise the hard fought Good Friday Agreement would be a huge price to pay.

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                        Giles
                        IHUK Crew
                        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                        Not sure anyone gave any thought to Ireland prior to the vote, it certainly was not articulated if it was.....

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                          IrishHeart
                          Haraki san Expert
                          @Giles
                          Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                          @Giles agreed, but the potential fall out could have been enormous.

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                            Tago Mago
                            Mod Squad
                            Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                            From the outside it did appear a very anglocentric conversation with little to no regard for the other 3 nations

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                              Giles
                              IHUK Crew
                              Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                              Erm, is that not the way :-)?

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                Tago Mago
                                Mod Squad
                                Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                                These ungrateful halfwits should thank the lucky stars that they are led by the Englanders...

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                                  Giles
                                  IHUK Crew
                                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                  Absofuckiglutely....

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    gazza61
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 12 Feb 2023

                                    and also when scotland had there vote on independence they were persuaded to stay in the uk or they would be left out of the eu which they very much wanted to remain in.

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                                      popvulture
                                      見習いボス
                                      Joined: 2 Oct 2018

                                      WTB
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                                        Tago Mago
                                        Mod Squad
                                        Joined: 16 Jan 2021

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                                          gazza61
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          @Tago Mago
                                          Joined: 12 Feb 2023

                                          @Tago-Mago love the video

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