Iron Heart X Simmons Bilt Horsehide Western Shirt - The Pale Rider - Natural
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@goosehd the chart measurements are off sometimes. I know because I own many Iron Heart shirts and study those charts. I'm not going to go back and forth on this.
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@xXclown86Xx Your comment is extremely bold considering how many happy customers have depended on those measurements for many, many purchases.
Are you saying that IH is publishing incorrect information?
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Of course the measurements are off. All measurements are off. The question is by how much.
Here are the following causes for measurement discrepancies and my subjective opinion on their size:
(1) Overdying. The amount of shrinkage caused by overdying can vary widely. I've seen differences up to an inch.
(2) Product variation. Somebody has to cut and sew the product. The amount of variation depends on the material. I've seen more with looser materials such as flannels, probably because the stretch means it's harder to work with.
(3) Human error and differences while measuring. It's easy to forget to stretch a certain part of the garment and finding the exact place where a measurement should start for really thick materials (such as leather jackets). Different people might start the measurement in a different place. This should cause a small amount of discrepancy. -
@xXclown86Xx There are always going to be discrepancies in measurements with small variations in each garment. From what I've been told in the past, Iron Heart measures 3 of each size when a shirt arrives, and they take the average and that's what goes on the chart. It's a much more precise way of finding your size than most clothing companies that have a blanket statement for size large with variation of 2-3" in some cases. That's a crap shoot.
There are some people that are extremely particular about measurements down to 1/4" in a sleeve length or opening width, and really want to nail it. Those people can reach out to the IHUK crew and fine tune their purchase to make sure they get the perfect fit.
Furthermore, the slight deviation's from the measurements allows for someone who loves the measurements of an XL in a specific shirt to ask for one with the shortest sleeves or the widest shoulders, and get that nailed for them if there's something to consider.
Iron Heart isn't meant to be a click, purchase and hope it fits type of company. They hope to avoid returns by taking all the time an effort necessary to get it right the first time.
Edit: @goosehd knows better than I do.
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@Giles or @Alex Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Ironheart will take a representative sample from a shipment and measure them upon receipt prior to publishing the measurements online. I believe this is
102 (as per @Alex) shirts per each size where they are measured as seen in the "how to measure" videos. The measurements are then averaged and placed in the spec. spreadsheet for the product to be sold.Yes, there may be some variation in sizing but the measurements shouldn't be "off". Yes, overdyeing will affect sizing, but because of the number of shirts being measured you shouldn't be seeing an inch in difference. (PLEASE NOTE: You will always run into an outlier - which is defined as a sample that does not fit within the published specs. but this should be very rare.
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@jordanscollected Your info is correct (from my understanding) and I'm glad to see you post it. Thank you!!!
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I think they measure 3 shirt as suggested by jordanscollected
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@jordanscollected pretty much nailed it, but it’s 2 not 3.
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I understand, not sure why you are making a big deal out of this. It started with me asking someone else a simple question. You are just looking for an argument it seems.
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@xXclown86Xx take a breath. This is not a hostile environment. Just a bunch a like minded thinkers trying to help each other out. Sometimes we can misread a persons intentions, similar to a text conversation. Tone and attitude are hard to read at times. All love around here brother.
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@Mizmazzle where in my messages did I say anything out of line? Goose needs to take a breath.
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@xXclown86Xx I am going to apologize for misinterpreting your words. @Mizmazzle is correct in that I was just trying to help you out.
I am now leaving this conversation as there is nothing left to add.
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@goosehd all good
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@goosehd said in Iron Heart X Simmons Bilt Horsehide Western Shirt - The Pale Rider - Natural:
Yes, overdyeing will affect sizing, but because of the number of shirts being measured you shouldn't be seeing an inch in difference.
When I was in Gosport last year I measured the length of every single Anniversary Flannel in size M. There were at least 2 out of about 20 that were shorter by about an inch.
About 10 years ago I also went through the entire bin of the indigo overdyed grey hoodies. They had the biggest variation I've ever seen. Well more than an inch.
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I think we should return to praising this amazing piece of dead horse! Cant wait until the color changes a bit. I ordered one of the recommended conditioners, but will first wait and see what happens.
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@Tobi totally with ya
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What’s up pale riders?
Maybe just in the nick of time comes this crazy ass post from me. Well, I’m fresh out of a lukewarm tub wearing this shirt. As I suspected, it absorbed all the water uniformly and has a nice rich caramel color. I know the shade will change as it dries… but no water spots as of now.
The shoulders and chest INSTANTLY opened up and all of the stress on the buttons are gone. Good for now, but as it dries, I am going to pay attention to moving my arms and chest to preclude it from drying “tight”. I am bunching the sleeves at my elbow to get the cuffs off of my hands. Hope it stays that way…. When It’s about 95% dry, I’m going to slather it with Pecard’s in an effort to retain the flexibility and comfort I’m feeling right now (wet).
The shirt, when wet is heavy!
Oddly, I’m warm. Imagine that. Horse skin actually retains heat. Probably why our cavemen ancestors survived the elements without Patagonia and Arcteryx.
Disclaimer: I tried this shirt on in it brand-new state, and I was completely unhappy with the chest tightness and rigidity of the body and the collar. If I were to size up, the dimensions for me wouldn’t have been right. I am a true IH large all day long, and in this shirt especially. Being honest here… I just don’t have the patience to wear an uncomfortable garment for however many dozens of times before it starts to break in. MEGA PROPS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO DO!! If there is a sensible (crazy) shortcut to make something comfy, I’m all about it.
Anyway. Here’s a ridiculous picture of me in a towel and a soaking wet horse hide shirt. The wife and kid are on Spring Break and I’m home alone, so what better time for a weird experiment like this. I’ll post an update tomorrow (or next year) when it’s finally dry.
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@goosehd
DIRTY NASTY WOGS!!!!!
I think we signed no-disclosure agreements. For everyone’s protections. And yes… received and doled-out much worse.
Thanks Brother.
