IH-888S-UHR - 21/23oz Ultra Heavy Raw Selvedge Denim High Rise Tapered Cut Jeans
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With a natural 35.5" waist, I'm torn between size 35 and 36 in the 888S UHR. Suggestions appreciated.
My preference is for a comfortable and relaxed (but not loose or sloppy) fit in the waist. I typically do a warm cycle wash, then hang dry.
Thanks,
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@JohnM I see you also posted on the 21OZ thread. I have both the UHR and the 21OZ, both in the same size (34) and I have to say
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21OZ is a bit slimmer from thigh down to the hem.
So if you’re looking for a comfortable fit without upsizing the waist, the UHR may be the way to go. -
21OZ stretched out quicker (and more, from what I can say after 30 days in the UHR)
So if you’re only caring about the comfort of the waist, I think the 21OZ might give you more room for errors / weight changes, if you know what I mean. -
The 21OZ in general is among the most comfortable fabrics I ever experienced. From day 1 almost. After a few wears they are sweat pants like. Only denim that compares to that comfort and weight is Oni‘s Secret denim if you ask me
Just some personal (and maybe subjective) thoughts, but maybe they help you in your decision process
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Thanks weftyarn. I do remember an old pair of 634S with the 21 oz. denim – very soft and pliable, as you suggest. And I also remember UHR from an IH-1955 that I still have and enjoy -- like body armor, with less give to the denim, so there's less room for error in sizing.
Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline? Mine is 35.5".
Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below. Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?
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Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline? Mine is 35.5".
Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:
1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.- when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
- do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.
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Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below. Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?
It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.
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Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below. Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?
It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.
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Quite possible. All the UHR iterations have a slightly wider leg. I’ve often speculated about why. Could be allowing for shrinkage, could be due to the nature of the denim making it more demanding to cut and sew. Could just be for the wearers comfort and as you say, the eventual silhouette.
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Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline? Mine is 35.5".
Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:
1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.- when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
- do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.
Appreciate that neph93. Using your method, jeans that fit me well measure 35.5" in the waist, so I'd be a size 35 in both the 21oz. and UHR. The waist on the size 35 21oz. is 34.4", which would yield 35.4" after stretch. The waist on the size 35 UHR is 35.7".
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I know this information is fairly well documented for UHR denim, but I figured I would share my experience with new, soak and two (cold and hot) washes. I find this information useful when researching purchases. Hopefully, you will too.
As you will see, the before and after measurements are not significantly different. I was actually hoping for more shrinkage and thus I did a second hot wash. Didn't do much at all. Against my better judgement and experience, I went with tag 36. The post wash fit is significantly more relaxed compared to my other IH jeans (all 888 cut). The denim still needs to settle and I was seeking a slightly more relaxed fit, but in hindsight I wish I had purchased a tag 35.
IH-888S-UHR Tag 36
New
Waist: 36.1"
Front Rise: 12.5"
Rear Rise: 17"
Thigh: 14.4"
Knee: 10"
Hem: 9"
Inseam: 36.6"Post Soak & Washes (cold and hot)
Waist: 35.5"
Front Rise: 12.2"
Rear Rise: 16.7"
Thigh: 14.1"
Knee: 9.7"
Hem: 8.7"
Inseam: 35.7"Note: all measurements performed the IH way
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Haven't seen you around much lately, @Bums_Fan — nice to see you pop up! Hope you're well.
Have you gotten much wear out of your UHRs, or are they a little too big? Mine are fading like crazy.
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I know this information is fairly well documented for UHR denim, but I figured I would share my experience with new, soak and two (cold and hot) washes. I find this information useful when researching purchases. Hopefully, you will too.
As you will see, the before and after measurements are not significantly different. I was actually hoping for more shrinkage and thus I did a second hot wash. Didn't do much at all. Against my better judgement and experience, I went with tag 36. The post wash fit is significantly more relaxed compared to my other IH jeans (all 888 cut). The denim still needs to settle and I was seeking a slightly more relaxed fit, but in hindsight I wish I had purchased a tag 35.
IH-888S-UHR Tag 36
New
Waist: 36.1"
Front Rise: 12.5"
Rear Rise: 17"
Thigh: 14.4"
Knee: 10"
Hem: 9"
Inseam: 36.6"Post Soak & Washes (cold and hot)
Waist: 35.5"
Front Rise: 12.2"
Rear Rise: 16.7"
Thigh: 14.1"
Knee: 9.7"
Hem: 8.7"
Inseam: 35.7"Note: all measurements performed the IH way
Appreciate that Bums_Fan. Are the post-soak/wash measurements (especially the 35.5" waist) after some wear/stretch or straight after the wash routine?
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Thanks @popvulture - been a while for sure. It's nice to get back and reacquainted with the forum.
Life is good for me, hope the same for you.
I just purchased this pair, so the jury is still out. Wearing them today. Despite the denim being heavy and a little crispy, they are surprisingly comfortable. I attribute this mostly to being bigger/relaxed in fit. I'm going to give them a little chance to settle, but I also don't want to miss out on the shop having tag 35 in stock.
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All's well with me — thanks, man!
Re: the sizing, I'd say if yours are on the loose side, maybe going down a size and losing an inch is the move. I feel like this denim is softer and has more give than XHS. Not tons, but I would say I'd personally be comfortable going down a size in UHR, while I wouldn't with the XHS (made that mistake before, haha).
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I went tts and after a hot soak and a hot wash they fit a bit more snugly than my other 888s. I’m confident I’ll get some more stretch my spring but I wouldn’t call them tight. I’m not sure if I notice a difference in the thighs. They seem fuller because the fabric is so stiff but that will settle.
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I went tts and after a hot soak and a hot wash they fit a bit more snugly than my other 888s. I’m confident I’ll get some more stretch my spring but I wouldn’t call them tight. I’m not sure if I notice a difference in the thighs. They seem fuller because the fabric is so stiff but that will settle.
You’ll be golden! They already look boss.
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Sorry about the dumbass smile but I can’t be bothered to take another one.
You and that xmas clown… scary shit.
We’ve had that book since they were babies, it comes out every Xmas and I can assure you after dozens of readings… that clown serves no purpose in the story. Other than to molest children I’d imagine.
