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IH-888S-UHR - 21/23oz Ultra Heavy Raw Selvedge Denim High Rise Tapered Cut Jeans

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  • Z
    Zecyon
    Joined: 12 Jan 2022

    Have never uploaded pictures on here before so I hope these came through alright! These came in today and their stiffness really is ridiculous. My 21oz and 21oz SBG's have nothing on these guys. Forgot to take pre-soak/wash measurements but after a solid 1.5 hours in the tub with tons of agitation, they shrunk up nicely! Unfortunately my washer is a top loader (piece of shit) and I'm gonna have to wait a few days until I'm back home for American-Thanksgiving to give these a full wash with a nicer machine! Also, I had requested that they come in at 33-33.25" from IH which we ended up settling on 33.25" and for some reason, they got to me at 34". Not sure what I can really do about this other than ship them back after I wash them, or have them hemmed in the states. Looking forward to washing/breaking these in over the next few cold months and watching the fades spring to life! Again, I appreciate everyone's help with sizing recommendations. Also have a few Good Art HLYWD pieces coming in as well so this IH lifestyle is really getting addicting 😃

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      Nik
      Raw and Unwashed
      Joined: 12 Nov 2020

      Looks like a perfect fit and 3/4" extra length might be good for when this heavier denim creases causing them to shorten.

      last edited by 19 Nov 2022, 06:58 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • ?
        A Former User
        Joined:

        Nice fit! And that denim stand-alone never fails to impress! Enjoy the journey mate, lenght wise first take all the shrink out and indeed the will be some honeycombs that will take some length cause it’s one of the stiffest fabrics around and will not get as soft as the XHS. Keep rockin them mate!

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          weftyarn
          Iron Heart Deity
          Joined: 8 Nov 2020

          Impeccable fit, @Zecyon

          Enjoy wearing this beauty!

          Use it or lose it.

          last edited by 20 Nov 2022, 14:14 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • J
            JohnM
            Raw and Unwashed
            Joined: 7 May 2014

            With a natural 35.5" waist, I'm torn between size 35 and 36 in the 888S UHR.  Suggestions appreciated.

            My preference is for a comfortable and relaxed (but not loose or sloppy) fit in the waist.  I typically do a warm cycle wash, then hang dry.

            Thanks,
            John

            last edited by 25 Nov 2022, 22:23 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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              weftyarn
              Iron Heart Deity
              Joined: 8 Nov 2020

              @JohnM I see you also posted on the 21OZ thread. I have both the UHR and the 21OZ, both in the same size (34) and I have to say

              1. 21OZ is a bit slimmer from thigh down to the hem.
                So if you’re looking for a comfortable fit without upsizing the waist, the UHR may be the way to go.

              2. 21OZ stretched out quicker (and more, from what I can say after 30 days in the UHR)
                So if you’re only caring about the comfort of the waist, I think the 21OZ might give you more room for errors / weight changes, if you know what I mean.

              3. The 21OZ in general is among the most comfortable fabrics I ever experienced. From day 1 almost. After a few wears they are sweat pants like. Only denim that compares to that comfort and weight is Oni‘s Secret denim if you ask me

              Just some personal (and maybe subjective) thoughts, but maybe they help you in your decision process 🙂

              Use it or lose it.

              last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 09:24 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                JohnM
                Raw and Unwashed
                Joined: 7 May 2014

                Thanks weftyarn.  I do remember an old pair of 634S with the 21 oz. denim – very soft and pliable, as you suggest.  And I also remember UHR from an IH-1955 that I still have and enjoy -- like body armor, with less give to the denim, so there's less room for error in sizing.

                Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline?  Mine is 35.5".

                Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below.  Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?

                last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 11:29 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                  neph93
                  見習いボス
                  Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                  @JohnM:

                  Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline?  Mine is 35.5".

                  Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:

                  1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
                  2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
                  3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.

                  • when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
                  • do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.

                  “Some of those that work forces
                  Are the same that burn crosses”

                  • Virginia Woolf
                  last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 12:07 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                    sabergirl
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                    Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                    @JohnM:

                    Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below.  Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?

                    It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.

                    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                    last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 13:54 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                      neph93
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                      Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                      @sabergirl:

                      @JohnM:

                      Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below.  Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?

                      It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.

                      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                      Quite possible. All the UHR iterations have a slightly wider leg. I’ve often speculated about why. Could be allowing for shrinkage, could be due to the nature of the denim making it more demanding to cut and sew. Could just be for the wearers comfort and as you say, the eventual silhouette.

                      “Some of those that work forces
                      Are the same that burn crosses”

                      • Virginia Woolf
                      last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 14:01 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        JohnM
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 7 May 2014

                        @neph93:

                        @JohnM:

                        Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline?  Mine is 35.5".

                        Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:

                        1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
                        2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
                        3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.

                        • when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
                        • do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.

                        Appreciate that neph93.  Using your method, jeans that fit me well measure 35.5" in the waist, so I'd be a size 35 in both the 21oz. and UHR.  The waist on the size 35 21oz. is 34.4", which would yield 35.4" after stretch.  The waist on the size 35 UHR is 35.7".

                        last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 17:47 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • B
                          Bums_Fan
                          Iron Heart Deity
                          Joined: 23 Dec 2012

                          I know this information is fairly well documented for UHR denim, but I figured I would share my experience with new, soak and two (cold and hot) washes.  I find this information useful when researching purchases.  Hopefully, you will too.

                          As you will see, the before and after measurements are not significantly different.  I was actually hoping for more shrinkage and thus I did a second hot wash.  Didn't do much at all.  Against my better judgement and experience, I went with tag 36.  The post wash fit is significantly more relaxed compared to my other IH jeans (all 888 cut).  The denim still needs to settle and I was seeking a slightly more relaxed fit, but in hindsight I wish I had purchased a tag 35.

                          IH-888S-UHR Tag 36

                          New
                          Waist: 36.1"
                          Front Rise: 12.5"
                          Rear Rise: 17"
                          Thigh: 14.4"
                          Knee: 10"
                          Hem: 9"
                          Inseam: 36.6"

                          Post Soak & Washes (cold and hot)
                          Waist: 35.5"
                          Front Rise: 12.2"
                          Rear Rise: 16.7"
                          Thigh: 14.1"
                          Knee: 9.7"
                          Hem: 8.7"
                          Inseam: 35.7"

                          Note: all measurements performed the IH way

                          last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:14 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                            popvulture
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                            Joined: 2 Oct 2018

                            Haven't seen you around much lately, @Bums_Fan — nice to see you pop up! Hope you're well.

                            Have you gotten much wear out of your UHRs, or are they a little too big? Mine are fading like crazy.

                            WTB
                            IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
                            Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

                            last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              JohnM
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 7 May 2014

                              @Bums_Fan:

                              I know this information is fairly well documented for UHR denim, but I figured I would share my experience with new, soak and two (cold and hot) washes.  I find this information useful when researching purchases.  Hopefully, you will too.

                              As you will see, the before and after measurements are not significantly different.  I was actually hoping for more shrinkage and thus I did a second hot wash.  Didn't do much at all.  Against my better judgement and experience, I went with tag 36.  The post wash fit is significantly more relaxed compared to my other IH jeans (all 888 cut).  The denim still needs to settle and I was seeking a slightly more relaxed fit, but in hindsight I wish I had purchased a tag 35.

                              IH-888S-UHR Tag 36

                              New
                              Waist: 36.1"
                              Front Rise: 12.5"
                              Rear Rise: 17"
                              Thigh: 14.4"
                              Knee: 10"
                              Hem: 9"
                              Inseam: 36.6"

                              Post Soak & Washes (cold and hot)
                              Waist: 35.5"
                              Front Rise: 12.2"
                              Rear Rise: 16.7"
                              Thigh: 14.1"
                              Knee: 9.7"
                              Hem: 8.7"
                              Inseam: 35.7"

                              Note: all measurements performed the IH way

                              Appreciate that Bums_Fan.  Are the post-soak/wash measurements (especially the 35.5" waist) after some wear/stretch or straight after the wash routine?

                              last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:43 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • B
                                Bums_Fan
                                Iron Heart Deity
                                Joined: 23 Dec 2012

                                Thanks @popvulture - been a while for sure.  It's nice to get back and reacquainted with the forum.

                                Life is good for me, hope the same for you.

                                I just purchased this pair, so the jury is still out.  Wearing them today.  Despite the denim being heavy and a little crispy, they are surprisingly comfortable.  I attribute this mostly to being bigger/relaxed in fit.  I'm going to give them a little chance to settle, but I also don't want to miss out on the shop having tag 35 in stock.

                                last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:55 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                  popvulture
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 2 Oct 2018

                                  All's well with me — thanks, man!

                                  Re: the sizing, I'd say if yours are on the loose side, maybe going down a size and losing an inch is the move. I feel like this denim is softer and has more give than XHS. Not tons, but I would say I'd personally be comfortable going down a size in UHR, while I wouldn't with the XHS (made that mistake before, haha).

                                  WTB
                                  IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
                                  Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

                                  last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 20:34 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    Matt
                                    見習いボス
                                    Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                                    I went tts and after a hot soak and a hot wash they fit a bit more snugly than my other 888s.  I’m confident I’ll get some more stretch my spring but I wouldn’t call them tight.  I’m not sure if I notice a difference in the thighs.  They seem fuller because the fabric is so stiff but that will settle.

                                    last edited by 29 Nov 2022, 15:35 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                      Matt
                                      見習いボス
                                      Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                                      Sorry about the dumbass smile but I can’t be bothered to take another one.

                                      last edited by 29 Nov 2022, 15:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        neph93
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                                        Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                        @Matt:

                                        Sorry about the dumbass smile but I can’t be bothered to take another one.

                                        You and that xmas clown… scary shit.

                                        “Some of those that work forces
                                        Are the same that burn crosses”

                                        • Virginia Woolf
                                        last edited by 29 Nov 2022, 15:37 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • Z
                                          Zecyon
                                          Joined: 12 Jan 2022

                                          Looking good! I feel the same about mine - they felt a little tighter up top than my 21oz after a hot soak/warm wash but they are slowly creeping towards comfort! looking forward to progress pics!

                                          last edited by 29 Nov 2022, 15:38 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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