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IH-888S-UHR - 21/23oz Ultra Heavy Raw Selvedge Denim High Rise Tapered Cut Jeans

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    weftyarn
    Iron Heart Deity
    Joined: 8 Nov 2020

    I have both the 21OZ as well as the UHR. Picked them in the same size and asked for the UHR closest to my 21OZ waist measurement. Both fit pretty similar in the top block,
    but I have to second @neph93 that the UHR have a considerably wider leg.

    I’ve yet to hot wash them so maybe they will come closer to the 21OZ considering it’s an area that is not under tension and therefore „doesn’t stretch back“.

    Hope this helps.

    Use it or lose it.

    last edited by 12 Nov 2022, 14:44 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
    • ?
      A Former User
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      I would say 30 as well, the UHR is one of the toughest fabrics out there in my opinion, xhs was easier to break in haha! So you would love that it will stretch back to post-soak 🙂

      last edited by 12 Nov 2022, 18:40 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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        Zecyon
        Joined: 12 Jan 2022

        Thank you everyone for the advice! I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a size 30 as there were only 3 pair left. Having them hemmed to 33" so they will shrink to around 31.25" after the shrink and have requested the smallest waist out of the 30's they have. Will keep the thread updated!

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        • ?
          A Former User
          Joined:

          Congratulations on your purchase! Keep us up to date  😉

          last edited by 12 Nov 2022, 20:02 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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            weftyarn
            Iron Heart Deity
            Joined: 8 Nov 2020

            Congrats @Zecyon looking forward to fit pics!

            Use it or lose it.

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              Zecyon
              Joined: 12 Jan 2022

              Have never uploaded pictures on here before so I hope these came through alright! These came in today and their stiffness really is ridiculous. My 21oz and 21oz SBG's have nothing on these guys. Forgot to take pre-soak/wash measurements but after a solid 1.5 hours in the tub with tons of agitation, they shrunk up nicely! Unfortunately my washer is a top loader (piece of shit) and I'm gonna have to wait a few days until I'm back home for American-Thanksgiving to give these a full wash with a nicer machine! Also, I had requested that they come in at 33-33.25" from IH which we ended up settling on 33.25" and for some reason, they got to me at 34". Not sure what I can really do about this other than ship them back after I wash them, or have them hemmed in the states. Looking forward to washing/breaking these in over the next few cold months and watching the fades spring to life! Again, I appreciate everyone's help with sizing recommendations. Also have a few Good Art HLYWD pieces coming in as well so this IH lifestyle is really getting addicting 😃

              last edited by 19 Nov 2022, 03:44 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                Nik
                Raw and Unwashed
                Joined: 12 Nov 2020

                Looks like a perfect fit and 3/4" extra length might be good for when this heavier denim creases causing them to shorten.

                last edited by 19 Nov 2022, 06:58 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • ?
                  A Former User
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                  Nice fit! And that denim stand-alone never fails to impress! Enjoy the journey mate, lenght wise first take all the shrink out and indeed the will be some honeycombs that will take some length cause it’s one of the stiffest fabrics around and will not get as soft as the XHS. Keep rockin them mate!

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                    weftyarn
                    Iron Heart Deity
                    Joined: 8 Nov 2020

                    Impeccable fit, @Zecyon

                    Enjoy wearing this beauty!

                    Use it or lose it.

                    last edited by 20 Nov 2022, 14:14 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                      JohnM
                      Raw and Unwashed
                      Joined: 7 May 2014

                      With a natural 35.5" waist, I'm torn between size 35 and 36 in the 888S UHR.  Suggestions appreciated.

                      My preference is for a comfortable and relaxed (but not loose or sloppy) fit in the waist.  I typically do a warm cycle wash, then hang dry.

                      Thanks,
                      John

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                        weftyarn
                        Iron Heart Deity
                        Joined: 8 Nov 2020

                        @JohnM I see you also posted on the 21OZ thread. I have both the UHR and the 21OZ, both in the same size (34) and I have to say

                        1. 21OZ is a bit slimmer from thigh down to the hem.
                          So if you’re looking for a comfortable fit without upsizing the waist, the UHR may be the way to go.

                        2. 21OZ stretched out quicker (and more, from what I can say after 30 days in the UHR)
                          So if you’re only caring about the comfort of the waist, I think the 21OZ might give you more room for errors / weight changes, if you know what I mean.

                        3. The 21OZ in general is among the most comfortable fabrics I ever experienced. From day 1 almost. After a few wears they are sweat pants like. Only denim that compares to that comfort and weight is Oni‘s Secret denim if you ask me

                        Just some personal (and maybe subjective) thoughts, but maybe they help you in your decision process 🙂

                        Use it or lose it.

                        last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 09:24 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                          JohnM
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          Joined: 7 May 2014

                          Thanks weftyarn.  I do remember an old pair of 634S with the 21 oz. denim – very soft and pliable, as you suggest.  And I also remember UHR from an IH-1955 that I still have and enjoy -- like body armor, with less give to the denim, so there's less room for error in sizing.

                          Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline?  Mine is 35.5".

                          Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below.  Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?

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                            neph93
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                            Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                            @JohnM:

                            Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline?  Mine is 35.5".

                            Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:

                            1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
                            2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
                            3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.

                            • when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
                            • do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.

                            “Some of those that work forces
                            Are the same that burn crosses”

                            • Virginia Woolf
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                              sabergirl
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                              Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                              @JohnM:

                              Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below.  Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?

                              It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.

                              Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                              last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 13:54 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                neph93
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                                Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                @sabergirl:

                                @JohnM:

                                Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below.  Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?

                                It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.

                                Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                Quite possible. All the UHR iterations have a slightly wider leg. I’ve often speculated about why. Could be allowing for shrinkage, could be due to the nature of the denim making it more demanding to cut and sew. Could just be for the wearers comfort and as you say, the eventual silhouette.

                                “Some of those that work forces
                                Are the same that burn crosses”

                                • Virginia Woolf
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                                  JohnM
                                  Raw and Unwashed
                                  Joined: 7 May 2014

                                  @neph93:

                                  @JohnM:

                                  Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline?  Mine is 35.5".

                                  Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:

                                  1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
                                  2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
                                  3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.

                                  • when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
                                  • do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.

                                  Appreciate that neph93.  Using your method, jeans that fit me well measure 35.5" in the waist, so I'd be a size 35 in both the 21oz. and UHR.  The waist on the size 35 21oz. is 34.4", which would yield 35.4" after stretch.  The waist on the size 35 UHR is 35.7".

                                  last edited by 26 Nov 2022, 17:47 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    Bums_Fan
                                    Iron Heart Deity
                                    Joined: 23 Dec 2012

                                    I know this information is fairly well documented for UHR denim, but I figured I would share my experience with new, soak and two (cold and hot) washes.  I find this information useful when researching purchases.  Hopefully, you will too.

                                    As you will see, the before and after measurements are not significantly different.  I was actually hoping for more shrinkage and thus I did a second hot wash.  Didn't do much at all.  Against my better judgement and experience, I went with tag 36.  The post wash fit is significantly more relaxed compared to my other IH jeans (all 888 cut).  The denim still needs to settle and I was seeking a slightly more relaxed fit, but in hindsight I wish I had purchased a tag 35.

                                    IH-888S-UHR Tag 36

                                    New
                                    Waist: 36.1"
                                    Front Rise: 12.5"
                                    Rear Rise: 17"
                                    Thigh: 14.4"
                                    Knee: 10"
                                    Hem: 9"
                                    Inseam: 36.6"

                                    Post Soak & Washes (cold and hot)
                                    Waist: 35.5"
                                    Front Rise: 12.2"
                                    Rear Rise: 16.7"
                                    Thigh: 14.1"
                                    Knee: 9.7"
                                    Hem: 8.7"
                                    Inseam: 35.7"

                                    Note: all measurements performed the IH way

                                    last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:14 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                      popvulture
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                                      Joined: 2 Oct 2018

                                      Haven't seen you around much lately, @Bums_Fan — nice to see you pop up! Hope you're well.

                                      Have you gotten much wear out of your UHRs, or are they a little too big? Mine are fading like crazy.

                                      WTB
                                      IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
                                      Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

                                      last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        JohnM
                                        Raw and Unwashed
                                        Joined: 7 May 2014

                                        @Bums_Fan:

                                        I know this information is fairly well documented for UHR denim, but I figured I would share my experience with new, soak and two (cold and hot) washes.  I find this information useful when researching purchases.  Hopefully, you will too.

                                        As you will see, the before and after measurements are not significantly different.  I was actually hoping for more shrinkage and thus I did a second hot wash.  Didn't do much at all.  Against my better judgement and experience, I went with tag 36.  The post wash fit is significantly more relaxed compared to my other IH jeans (all 888 cut).  The denim still needs to settle and I was seeking a slightly more relaxed fit, but in hindsight I wish I had purchased a tag 35.

                                        IH-888S-UHR Tag 36

                                        New
                                        Waist: 36.1"
                                        Front Rise: 12.5"
                                        Rear Rise: 17"
                                        Thigh: 14.4"
                                        Knee: 10"
                                        Hem: 9"
                                        Inseam: 36.6"

                                        Post Soak & Washes (cold and hot)
                                        Waist: 35.5"
                                        Front Rise: 12.2"
                                        Rear Rise: 16.7"
                                        Thigh: 14.1"
                                        Knee: 9.7"
                                        Hem: 8.7"
                                        Inseam: 35.7"

                                        Note: all measurements performed the IH way

                                        Appreciate that Bums_Fan.  Are the post-soak/wash measurements (especially the 35.5" waist) after some wear/stretch or straight after the wash routine?

                                        last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:43 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                          Bums_Fan
                                          Iron Heart Deity
                                          Joined: 23 Dec 2012

                                          Thanks @popvulture - been a while for sure.  It's nice to get back and reacquainted with the forum.

                                          Life is good for me, hope the same for you.

                                          I just purchased this pair, so the jury is still out.  Wearing them today.  Despite the denim being heavy and a little crispy, they are surprisingly comfortable.  I attribute this mostly to being bigger/relaxed in fit.  I'm going to give them a little chance to settle, but I also don't want to miss out on the shop having tag 35 in stock.

                                          last edited by 28 Nov 2022, 19:55 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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