IH-888S-UHR - 21/23oz Ultra Heavy Raw Selvedge Denim High Rise Tapered Cut Jeans
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Yeah the 23oz is really stiff before it is soaked. Turning them inside out was a chore and so was fastening the buttons even after soak. Overall they have softened up quite a bit after a hot soak and wash. I can see why there has been so much hype for this fabric.
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Question, IH Army - I am currently at a crossroads between a size 29 and a 30 in the UHR. I have both a pair of 888S-21oz and the 888-SBG-21oz. Measurements below:
IH-888S-21
TAG SIZE 30
W - 15.4
FR - 11.2
BR - 15.75
TH - 12.25
KN - 8.45
H - 7.25IH-SBG-21
TAG SIZE 31
W - 15.4
FR - 11.4
BR - 16
TH - 12.2
KN - 8.3
H - 7.5IH-888-UHR
TAG SIZE 29
W - 14.75
FR - 11.3
BR - 15.7
TH - 12.1
KN - 8.4
H - 7.6IH-888-UHR
TAG SIZE 30
W - 15.45
FR - 11.5
BR - 16
TH - 12.3
KN - 8.6
H - 7.9Comparing the measurements to the UHR's, a size 30 looks pretty solid for me to shrink and then stretch back out but the hem and knee seem rather large comparative to my other pairs. For the 29, I risk them being a little tight after the initial soak/agitation stage but this would mean I would need to stretch them back to around their original measurements (maybe even past them in the waist). For veterans with the UHR, what would you guys recommend? I am leaning towards a 30 and shrinking the absolute hell out of them (I can make my bath/washer water as hot as I need) but just wanted a second opinion as others have said they stretch like CRAZY if put under pressure. Thanks in advance!
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In my experience, they should fit the way you want them to fit before you soak. They do stretch back out especially in the areas that get a lot of tension, like the waist — the other areas not so much. But overall they don’t shrink that much (or at least mine didn’t with two pretty scalding hot soaks). Mine shrank a bit, quickly stretched back out to original spec in the waist, and haven’t stretched much past that, if any.
If they were to be a bit on the snug side pre-soak, you might get even more stretch just because of the increased tension, but I’ll let someone else verify that hunch.
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Question, IH Army - I am currently at a crossroads between a size 29 and a 30 in the UHR.
I would say the W30. Judging by the pairs you own I think you would struggle with the waist on the W29.
Generally, UHR iterations are a little wider in the leg due to the nature the denim, but the leg measurmemts you’re concerned about will shrink, but won’t stretch much.
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I’d definitely agree with that, based on the 30’s consistency with your other pairs.
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I have both the 21OZ as well as the UHR. Picked them in the same size and asked for the UHR closest to my 21OZ waist measurement. Both fit pretty similar in the top block,
but I have to second @neph93 that the UHR have a considerably wider leg.I’ve yet to hot wash them so maybe they will come closer to the 21OZ considering it’s an area that is not under tension and therefore „doesn’t stretch back“.
Hope this helps.
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I would say 30 as well, the UHR is one of the toughest fabrics out there in my opinion, xhs was easier to break in haha! So you would love that it will stretch back to post-soak
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Thank you everyone for the advice! I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a size 30 as there were only 3 pair left. Having them hemmed to 33" so they will shrink to around 31.25" after the shrink and have requested the smallest waist out of the 30's they have. Will keep the thread updated!
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Congratulations on your purchase! Keep us up to date
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Congrats @Zecyon looking forward to fit pics!
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Have never uploaded pictures on here before so I hope these came through alright! These came in today and their stiffness really is ridiculous. My 21oz and 21oz SBG's have nothing on these guys. Forgot to take pre-soak/wash measurements but after a solid 1.5 hours in the tub with tons of agitation, they shrunk up nicely! Unfortunately my washer is a top loader (piece of shit) and I'm gonna have to wait a few days until I'm back home for American-Thanksgiving to give these a full wash with a nicer machine! Also, I had requested that they come in at 33-33.25" from IH which we ended up settling on 33.25" and for some reason, they got to me at 34". Not sure what I can really do about this other than ship them back after I wash them, or have them hemmed in the states. Looking forward to washing/breaking these in over the next few cold months and watching the fades spring to life! Again, I appreciate everyone's help with sizing recommendations. Also have a few Good Art HLYWD pieces coming in as well so this IH lifestyle is really getting addicting
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Looks like a perfect fit and 3/4" extra length might be good for when this heavier denim creases causing them to shorten.
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Nice fit! And that denim stand-alone never fails to impress! Enjoy the journey mate, lenght wise first take all the shrink out and indeed the will be some honeycombs that will take some length cause it’s one of the stiffest fabrics around and will not get as soft as the XHS. Keep rockin them mate!
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Impeccable fit, @Zecyon
Enjoy wearing this beauty!
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With a natural 35.5" waist, I'm torn between size 35 and 36 in the 888S UHR. Suggestions appreciated.
My preference is for a comfortable and relaxed (but not loose or sloppy) fit in the waist. I typically do a warm cycle wash, then hang dry.
Thanks,
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@JohnM I see you also posted on the 21OZ thread. I have both the UHR and the 21OZ, both in the same size (34) and I have to say
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21OZ is a bit slimmer from thigh down to the hem.
So if you’re looking for a comfortable fit without upsizing the waist, the UHR may be the way to go. -
21OZ stretched out quicker (and more, from what I can say after 30 days in the UHR)
So if you’re only caring about the comfort of the waist, I think the 21OZ might give you more room for errors / weight changes, if you know what I mean. -
The 21OZ in general is among the most comfortable fabrics I ever experienced. From day 1 almost. After a few wears they are sweat pants like. Only denim that compares to that comfort and weight is Oni‘s Secret denim if you ask me
Just some personal (and maybe subjective) thoughts, but maybe they help you in your decision process
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Thanks weftyarn. I do remember an old pair of 634S with the 21 oz. denim – very soft and pliable, as you suggest. And I also remember UHR from an IH-1955 that I still have and enjoy -- like body armor, with less give to the denim, so there's less room for error in sizing.
Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline? Mine is 35.5".
Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below. Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?
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Given that you have a size 34 in both the 21 oz. and UHR, what is your natural waistline? Mine is 35.5".
Natural waistline is not a good metric to use when sizing. As counterintuitive as that sounds, it is true. Do the following:
1. Find a pair of used jeans that you like the fit of.
2. Using the IH method shown in the films on product pages, measure the waist.
3. Compare that measurement with the size charts.- when comparing with 21oz, add an inch to the size chart measurement to account for stretch.
- do a straight comparison with UHR. The shrinkage and stretch more or less cancel each other out.
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Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below. Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?
It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.
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Makes sense that the 21 oz. 888 would have more give in the waist, but interesting that it's cut a little trimmer down below. Do you think this is sample variation or inherent to the cut?
It’s probably like this precisely because there’s more stretch in the 21oz denim. Combats baggy knees after stretch.
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Quite possible. All the UHR iterations have a slightly wider leg. I’ve often speculated about why. Could be allowing for shrinkage, could be due to the nature of the denim making it more demanding to cut and sew. Could just be for the wearers comfort and as you say, the eventual silhouette.
