thanks all and yeah @popvulture @JunkPants that's been my experience too (although more so with pants than their shirts). i'm in the netherlands, so difficult to try on anything in person, so maybe best to err on the side of "too big". just had to return a CD-4 jacket w a 23in chest and 19.5in shoulders (which was a size L), so i'm thinking i may be more of an XL in their jackets anyway

just an update: ordered an L and the XL to compare. L is definitely the winner here for me – 180cm and 80kg, with an athletic build. XXL in my iron heart flannels (but could probably go down to an XL for a more tailored fit). regardless, thank for everyone's help

@AdamJ sorry for the double post. does this apply for the western version as well – and is there any timeframe here for either shirt at all?

thanks @Ross . anyone have opinions either way on a jacket without handwarmers? do you miss them? on the fence about this one because of this, as i usually like to have somewhere to put my hands. but also never had a jacket without them so i don't have a good frame of reference

Is there any estimate of when this one will release?

@Tago-Mago ah got it, was reading it incorrectly indeed, thanks

@Tago-Mago assuming was is a typo for wasn’t in that comment? Otherwise the wording has me confused — or am I just reading it incorrectly

@Alex thanks – are there going to be very few of these available? the only reason i want to order from IH is the snap upgrade, but if its between that and not getting one, maybe better to order from Brund

I have this Freenote shirt and noticed the part of the stitching on the shoulder has come loose. I cut the thread and tied it off on the inside of the shirt. Nothing on it is coming apart; it all feels very sturdy and secure. Should I just leave it and wear, or is it worth taking to a tailor to get fixed?

@tody thanks, really stuck between this one and the sbg 21oz that's coming soon, hard to decide

@dubj7 i don't have the flannel but flat head makes a similar one, just fyi. not sure how many are out there, but may help braoden your search

https://corlection.com/products/the-flat-head-12oz-selvage-flannel-workshirt-black-x-orange

@Plant-Life i have a couple of beams plus long sleeve t-shirts (ash/grey and black) and a reigning champ crewneck sweatshirt (black) if you're interested?

@Buckeye any chance you bought it off Vinted? I just sold mine (size XXL) there last week – it's 100% real if so

@Fades-for-future no worries – let me know if you change your mind. i have a ton of stuff i'm offloading, so just shoot me a message

@Fades-for-future any chance you’d want to trade for some other pants? Have a pair of 14oz freenote deck pants (black, size 33) that are only worn a few times that I’m looking to sell anyway. Also in the EU

Also have a pair of black shifter pants and navy deck pants (also freenote, size 33) that are in very, very good condition (deck pants have only been worn and washed once)

@Max-Power just look at the guide on filsons website (and use their wax, which I believe I saw freenote recommend for rewaxing as well — maybe on instagram?), almost impossible to mess it up

https://www.filson.com/blogs/journal/how-to-rewax-filson-jacket

@Gavin666 yeah that was my thought too, but for this year's restock (which came out yesterday) they've made the shoulders and chest on the L a bit bigger, so should be perfect

weirdly the product page even recommends sizing down in the heavier weight riders jacket for a "snug fit" – but the M is even smaller than the regular riders jacket large. so i don't see how that is good advice...

https://freenotecloth.com/products/riders-jacket-heavy-waxed-canvas-black-alpaca

just an update: ordered an L and the XL to compare. L is definitely the winner here for me – 180cm and 80kg, with an athletic build. XXL in my iron heart flannels (but could probably go down to an XL for a more tailored fit). regardless, thank for everyone's help

@Brandrea looks great thanks for posting. Rly leaning toward an XL. The only thing that I’m worried about is it being too long (I’m 5’11)

@Brandrea have you ever posted fit pics of your jacket? i wear the same size UHF (although I'm a couple inches shorter than you), so would be a somehwhat good comparison i think