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    What do you consider "raw" denim to mean?

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    • madmondayM
      madmonday
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      @neph93:

      my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent

      good point but not easy to put into a quick sound bite to get consumers to spend their money by the old guard selling fast fashion to consumers and are just trying to turn a profit

      as consumers become more educated and the rise of conscious consumerism with brands like Patagonia i think it will change, slowly, but change none the less

      what is also funny is that every one has a voice, which is a good thing, but you get a lot of misinformed people making arguments that do not hold water.

      you would not argue about the color or fruit orange, since it is a universal fact it should be the same with the term  raw denim, but you know

      I mentioned oranges and eggs, I am hungry time to get some grub

      head high, middle finger higher

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      • Matty123M
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        @madmonday:

        @Matty123 "raw denim" does mean one thing to people who are ingrained in and speak the language (at least on this forum).

        to the casual shopper the term raw denim tends to be what ever the manufacture is peddling that day to grab the customer.

        look at it like eggs, you got a raw egg, you got the 1 minute egg that is super runny, 3 minute egg little less runny, hard boiled egg, etc.

        they all eggs but you know

        Yeah that’s true. Thanks Monday

        But for me my egg? First I break the egg on to a fine mesh screen and get all the watery clear whites gone.
        Then 185F water for 4 minutes. Gently stiring so it doesn’t stick to the bottom. Take that shit out and bam! Perfect.  Poached 185f egg

        Maybe so. Maybe not

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        • gaseousclayG
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          @manufc10:

          Most people don't like the unpredictable nature of loomstate, therefore underrated IMO.

          I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate. I like the guesswork being taken out of having to figure out sizing/shrinkage, especially if you're dropping big $.

          WTB:
          IHSH-129 size L (blue)
          IHSH-19

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          • UnTuckedU
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            Ditto…
            Never owned a pair, and likely never will.....

            Closest I've gotten is my Oni "Secret denim" (unsanforized)...

            Shockingly enough, "the guy who throws all clothes in the washer and dryer all willy nilly" is extremely apprehensive about washing these jeans using ANY methods. They will likely stay truly raw (And eventually, ripe) forever.

            In search of:
            IHV-04, med.
            IHSH-185, large
            IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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            • Matty123M
              Matty123
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              @UnTucked:

              Ditto…
              Never owned a pair, and likely never will.....

              Closest I've gotten is my Oni "Secret denim" (unsanforized)...

              Shockingly enough, "the guy who throws all clothes in the washer and dryer all willy nilly" is extremely apprehensive about washing these jeans using ANY methods. They will likely stay truly raw (And eventually, ripe) forever.

              Et tu Bruté?

              Maybe so. Maybe not

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              • UnTuckedU
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                I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                In search of:
                IHV-04, med.
                IHSH-185, large
                IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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                • neph93N
                  neph93
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                  @gaseousclay:

                  I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate.

                  How do you feel about the terminology? Raw=loomstate?

                  «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                  We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                  • manufc10M
                    manufc10
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                    @neph93:

                    @madmonday:

                    you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?

                    It was a pre bedtime post, and I have a rule, “Why use one word when you can use 259?”

                    It’s edited for clarity now but my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent, unique etc and the 21oz is a good example of that. It was tonnes of character despite it’s smooth even face, heavy sanforisation and fade retardant treatment. Hell, the SB denim isn’t even selvedge and doesn’t fade and is still more interesting than some Cone Mills denim I’ve owned.

                    I agree 100%.

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                    • Matty123M
                      Matty123
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                      @UnTucked:

                      I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                      U find loomstate to be less slubby and irregular? Don’t be sorry.

                      Maybe so. Maybe not

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                      • UnTuckedU
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                        @Matty123:

                        @UnTucked:

                        I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                        U find loomstate to be less slubby and irregular? Don’t be sorry.

                        I haven't handled any loomstate denim, actually. I was just referring to my love of PBJ….

                        In search of:
                        IHV-04, med.
                        IHSH-185, large
                        IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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                        • gaseousclayG
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                          @neph93:

                          @gaseousclay:

                          I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate.

                          How do you feel about the terminology? Raw=loomstate?

                          I think the terminology is accurate

                          WTB:
                          IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                          IHSH-19

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                          • Matty123M
                            Matty123
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                            Oh ok

                            Maybe so. Maybe not

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                            • Ponyboy312P
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                              Please make it raw with ample thighs for us 634 guys.  😛  But not with the 16 cause I already have that one.  😃 I really fucked up not getting that yenim in 34 when I had the chance didn’t I? 😢

                              colonelclegg: if you threw up on them just wash them dude, especially if your not sure if its your puke…......

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                              • piranhaP
                                piranha
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                                Raw=hasn't touched water.

                                Instagram: djdonniepiranhie

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                                • Matty123M
                                  Matty123
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                                  Heddels disagrees https://www.heddels.com/2018/01/one-wash-denim-still-raw/

                                  This was posted on Jan 10th

                                  Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                  • AlexA
                                    Alex
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                                    ???

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                                    • Megatron1505M
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                                      16oz vintage raw in 888 cut…....i’m in .

                                      Heddels  😃

                                      Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                      • GilesG
                                        Giles
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                                        @Matty123:

                                        Heddels disagrees https://www.heddels.com/2018/01/one-wash-denim-still-raw/

                                        This was posted on Jan 10th

                                        That was what caused this thread to be started.  I have written to Nick at Heddels and told him that the article is bullshit…

                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        • Matty123M
                                          Matty123
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                                          I don’t get it either. Thatndoejst make any sense

                                          Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                          • ChrisC
                                            Chris
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                                            Heddels is wrong more often than it is right, IMO.

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