• Home
    • Recent
    • Calendar
    • Register
    • Login
    Iron Heart Forum
    Iron Heart Forum

    Iron Heart Fall/Winter 2025 Collection Preview - Now Live

    What do you consider "raw" denim to mean?

    The Resource Centre
    22
    78
    18.2k
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • neph93N
      neph93
      見習いボス
      Joined:

      @Matty123:

      Is there an industry standard?

      No. Which is partially why I started this thread to see if there was a consensus on this forum. It seems there is. This makes me happy.

      “Some of those that work forces
      Are the same that burn crosses”

      • Virginia Woolf
      last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • madmondayM
        madmonday
        Raw and Unwashed
        Joined:

        @Matty123 "raw denim" does mean one thing to people who are ingrained in and speak the language (at least on this forum).

        to the casual shopper the term raw denim tends to be what ever the manufacture is peddling that day to grab the customer.

        look at it like eggs, you got a raw egg, you got the 1 minute egg that is super runny, 3 minute egg little less runny, hard boiled egg, etc.

        they all eggs but you know

        off topic but I always am

        again great topic @neph93  as there is a super easy and clear answer to the initial question but it can branch off into so many other things based on each persons experience

        head high, middle finger higher

        last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • UnTuckedU
          UnTucked
          Joined:

          This is why I wear workpants… no confusion, lol

          In search of:
          IHV-04, med.
          IHSH-185, large
          IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

          last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • madmondayM
            madmonday
            Raw and Unwashed
            Joined:

            @neph93:

            my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent

            good point but not easy to put into a quick sound bite to get consumers to spend their money by the old guard selling fast fashion to consumers and are just trying to turn a profit

            as consumers become more educated and the rise of conscious consumerism with brands like Patagonia i think it will change, slowly, but change none the less

            what is also funny is that every one has a voice, which is a good thing, but you get a lot of misinformed people making arguments that do not hold water.

            you would not argue about the color or fruit orange, since it is a universal fact it should be the same with the term  raw denim, but you know

            I mentioned oranges and eggs, I am hungry time to get some grub

            head high, middle finger higher

            last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • Matty123M
              Matty123
              Raw and Unwashed
              Joined:

              @madmonday:

              @Matty123 "raw denim" does mean one thing to people who are ingrained in and speak the language (at least on this forum).

              to the casual shopper the term raw denim tends to be what ever the manufacture is peddling that day to grab the customer.

              look at it like eggs, you got a raw egg, you got the 1 minute egg that is super runny, 3 minute egg little less runny, hard boiled egg, etc.

              they all eggs but you know

              Yeah that’s true. Thanks Monday

              But for me my egg? First I break the egg on to a fine mesh screen and get all the watery clear whites gone.
              Then 185F water for 4 minutes. Gently stiring so it doesn’t stick to the bottom. Take that shit out and bam! Perfect.  Poached 185f egg

              Maybe so. Maybe not

              last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • gaseousclayG
                gaseousclay
                Joined:

                @manufc10:

                Most people don't like the unpredictable nature of loomstate, therefore underrated IMO.

                I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate. I like the guesswork being taken out of having to figure out sizing/shrinkage, especially if you're dropping big $.

                WTB:
                IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                IHSH-19

                last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • UnTuckedU
                  UnTucked
                  Joined:

                  Ditto…
                  Never owned a pair, and likely never will.....

                  Closest I've gotten is my Oni "Secret denim" (unsanforized)...

                  Shockingly enough, "the guy who throws all clothes in the washer and dryer all willy nilly" is extremely apprehensive about washing these jeans using ANY methods. They will likely stay truly raw (And eventually, ripe) forever.

                  In search of:
                  IHV-04, med.
                  IHSH-185, large
                  IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

                  last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Matty123M
                    Matty123
                    Raw and Unwashed
                    Joined:

                    @UnTucked:

                    Ditto…
                    Never owned a pair, and likely never will.....

                    Closest I've gotten is my Oni "Secret denim" (unsanforized)...

                    Shockingly enough, "the guy who throws all clothes in the washer and dryer all willy nilly" is extremely apprehensive about washing these jeans using ANY methods. They will likely stay truly raw (And eventually, ripe) forever.

                    Et tu Bruté?

                    Maybe so. Maybe not

                    last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • UnTuckedU
                      UnTucked
                      Joined:

                      I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                      In search of:
                      IHV-04, med.
                      IHSH-185, large
                      IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

                      last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • neph93N
                        neph93
                        見習いボス
                        Joined:

                        @gaseousclay:

                        I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate.

                        How do you feel about the terminology? Raw=loomstate?

                        “Some of those that work forces
                        Are the same that burn crosses”

                        • Virginia Woolf
                        last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • manufc10M
                          manufc10
                          Iron Heart Deity
                          Joined:

                          @neph93:

                          @madmonday:

                          you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?

                          It was a pre bedtime post, and I have a rule, “Why use one word when you can use 259?”

                          It’s edited for clarity now but my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent, unique etc and the 21oz is a good example of that. It was tonnes of character despite it’s smooth even face, heavy sanforisation and fade retardant treatment. Hell, the SB denim isn’t even selvedge and doesn’t fade and is still more interesting than some Cone Mills denim I’ve owned.

                          I agree 100%.

                          last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • Matty123M
                            Matty123
                            Raw and Unwashed
                            Joined:

                            @UnTucked:

                            I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                            U find loomstate to be less slubby and irregular? Don’t be sorry.

                            Maybe so. Maybe not

                            last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • UnTuckedU
                              UnTucked
                              Joined:

                              @Matty123:

                              @UnTucked:

                              I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                              U find loomstate to be less slubby and irregular? Don’t be sorry.

                              I haven't handled any loomstate denim, actually. I was just referring to my love of PBJ….

                              In search of:
                              IHV-04, med.
                              IHSH-185, large
                              IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

                              last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • gaseousclayG
                                gaseousclay
                                Joined:

                                @neph93:

                                @gaseousclay:

                                I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate.

                                How do you feel about the terminology? Raw=loomstate?

                                I think the terminology is accurate

                                WTB:
                                IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                                IHSH-19

                                last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • Matty123M
                                  Matty123
                                  Raw and Unwashed
                                  Joined:

                                  Oh ok

                                  Maybe so. Maybe not

                                  last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • Ponyboy312P
                                    Ponyboy312
                                    Joined:

                                    Please make it raw with ample thighs for us 634 guys.  😛  But not with the 16 cause I already have that one.  😃 I really fucked up not getting that yenim in 34 when I had the chance didn’t I? 😢

                                    colonelclegg: if you threw up on them just wash them dude, especially if your not sure if its your puke…......

                                    last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • piranhaP
                                      piranha
                                      Haraki san Prodigy
                                      Joined:

                                      Raw=hasn't touched water.

                                      Instagram: djdonniepiranhie

                                      last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • Matty123M
                                        Matty123
                                        Raw and Unwashed
                                        Joined:

                                        Heddels disagrees https://www.heddels.com/2018/01/one-wash-denim-still-raw/

                                        This was posted on Jan 10th

                                        Maybe so. Maybe not

                                        last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • AlexA
                                          Alex
                                          IHUK Crew
                                          Joined:

                                          ???

                                          last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • Megatron1505M
                                            Megatron1505
                                            見習いボス
                                            Joined:

                                            16oz vintage raw in 888 cut…....i’m in .

                                            Heddels  😃

                                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

                                            last edited by 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post
                                            Copyright Iron Heart 2025.