IHSH-454-BRN - 11oz Military Serge Western Shirt - Brown
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@Phil_NYC yeah, this is essentially it. It’s not as simple as just choosing a different tag size to achieve your standard IH fit. Much like yourself, I’ve come accustomed to an Iron heart XL meaning ~23” chest, ~19” shoulders, and ~26.5” sleeves, or some very close version of those measurements. It looks like the space between the bottom button and the bottom of the placket was shortened to the exact width of the space between buttons as well, which explains the shorter length. I’ll likely still give this shirt a shot, as brown westerns are hard to come by, but if the next run of 12oz denim or wabash westerns share the re-tooled sizing, that will be a distinct and huge bummer
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I chatted with IH today looking for a longer of an XL which is already a size up in the chest. No dice. Was able to find me one that was .1" longer.
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For what it’s worth, when these drop, I’ll be trying on both the 2XL and 3XL. That may or may not translate to the smaller sizes, but I should at least be able to tell if the sleeves feel or look noticeably short.
To me, it’s not always about one particular measurement, whether that’s sleeve length, shoulders, or whatever else. Sometimes it’s the combination of all those measurements that makes a shirt fit just right, even when on paper it looks like it shouldn’t.
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said in IHSH-467-GRN - Ultra Heavy Flannel Buffalo Check Western Shirt - Green/Black:
We found on reruns of core items, sizing was creeping a little smaller year on year, so we resampled this sample size large, made sure it fit Haraki how he wanted, then graded up and down from that (like we do with all new samples).
This is the only deliberate thing that has happened with sizing. At no point has anyone mentioned any deliberate or specific changes to sleeve length. Samples have always been made in size large. Samples from 5 years ago fit larger than samples from one year ago. That is empirical, and what we wanted to adjust.
Everyone weighing in on this conversation has been around here long enough to know that some things size small and some things size big. Sometimes we make mistakes on a sample. Sometimes a production run shrinks more than the sample did, sometimes it shrinks less.
Sorry if this shirt does not look like it will fit you, or you've missed out on a previous product for similar reasons.
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The is perhaps the most beautiful shirt I have ever seen. Can’t wait!!
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With the three FW26 shirts that are released or being released thus far all having what appears to be atypical western shirt dimensions and more typical of work shirts, my bad in misinterpreting this along with the comment on regrading the sample resizing / tweaking to be more than it was literally noted. Thank you @alex for kindly setting me straight in that these recent shirt releases are just the normal of some shirts running atypical from the typical dimensions and not a new normal.
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@Alex
would you expect this serge version to become soft ?
had a serge western shirt a few years ago but that was 13 oz when I remember correctly . -
Well, I ordered a large and asked the crew about a trying to find one closer to my ideal. If it doesn’t work, I will be sad. But, I thought about this a bit last night, and have some thoughts.
Over the last 7 years or so, Iron Heart has become such an important part of my life and my identity. I don’t ever have to decide what outfit to wear, just what combination! That’s a little bit of an exaggeration, but basically true. I am pretty much always wearing an IH western shirt (and pants, and jacket). As someone who is pretty awkward, lacking confidence, and a more than healthy dash of self loathing, these clothes provide a little bit of comfort and confidence. And I don’t flaunt it. It’s purely a ‘for me’ thing. I don’t even like people to know the details about my wardrobe. I get self conscious about it. I am financially comfortable, but not a wealthy person, and the amount I spend on these clothes is straight up unreasonable. But it is totally worth it to me. Quality matters to me. And maybe its because it gives me a stronger barrier from the world, but I am so much more comfortable in think heavy clothes. Anyway, blah blah blah… my point is… I am privileged to have so many great fitting IH western shirts, and if these proportions are the ‘new’ norm, or back to the old norm, or whatever, I am sure they are perfect for plenty of people. And if those folks are able to get a shirt that brings them even a fraction of what these things bring me, then hell yes, get it! Bodies are different. Everyone should have the opportunity to experience whatever these clothes might bring to their lives. Cause it’s not insignificant. It’s powerful shit! And I’ve already got a lifetime supply… At least until I inevitably gain a significant bit of weight
. At which point, maybe these proportions will be perfect for me again!Anyway, rant over. I appreciate you guys.
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@Giles lol I wasn’t going to say anything, but as someone who has had to “flip up” the cuffs as these western shirts for almost 2 decades (and it’s not like I have short arms), I’m all for how these came out
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@Rangadello said in IHSH-454-BRN - 11oz Military Serge Western Shirt - Brown:
Anyway, rant over. I appreciate you guys.
That's not a rant, that's a eulogy. Thank you....
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@Rangadello well said and thank you!
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@Appfaff Adam i was thinking exactly the same thing and refrained posting. I have been flipping my cuffs on my shirts since day one.
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@Rangadello
well said!!
