IHSH-454-BRN - 11oz Military Serge Western Shirt - Brown
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The issue for me is not that I have to move to a different tag size, its that the overall fit has changed to a shorter boxier fit. Whereas before the fit was perfect, now there is a tradeoff between ideal length or ideal width.
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@northsouthdenimguy can't speak for others, but for me XL westerns almost always had 26.5" or longer sleeves. More recently they have been shortened to 25.5 or even shorter. That is a deal breaker for me. There were limited cases when I could jump to an XXL if the sleeves were only around 26, but with the much bulkier body and shoulder measurements that isn't an option. Same situation with body length, but that is easier to work around.
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This is better way to say it: the new XL westerns now have size XXL+ shoulders and chest but size Large length and sleeves. If you are tall and thin with long arms, you are in no man's land with the new sizing.
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@Phil_NYC yeah, this is essentially it. It’s not as simple as just choosing a different tag size to achieve your standard IH fit. Much like yourself, I’ve come accustomed to an Iron heart XL meaning ~23” chest, ~19” shoulders, and ~26.5” sleeves, or some very close version of those measurements. It looks like the space between the bottom button and the bottom of the placket was shortened to the exact width of the space between buttons as well, which explains the shorter length. I’ll likely still give this shirt a shot, as brown westerns are hard to come by, but if the next run of 12oz denim or wabash westerns share the re-tooled sizing, that will be a distinct and huge bummer
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I chatted with IH today looking for a longer of an XL which is already a size up in the chest. No dice. Was able to find me one that was .1" longer.
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For what it’s worth, when these drop, I’ll be trying on both the 2XL and 3XL. That may or may not translate to the smaller sizes, but I should at least be able to tell if the sleeves feel or look noticeably short.
To me, it’s not always about one particular measurement, whether that’s sleeve length, shoulders, or whatever else. Sometimes it’s the combination of all those measurements that makes a shirt fit just right, even when on paper it looks like it shouldn’t.
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said in IHSH-467-GRN - Ultra Heavy Flannel Buffalo Check Western Shirt - Green/Black:
We found on reruns of core items, sizing was creeping a little smaller year on year, so we resampled this sample size large, made sure it fit Haraki how he wanted, then graded up and down from that (like we do with all new samples).
This is the only deliberate thing that has happened with sizing. At no point has anyone mentioned any deliberate or specific changes to sleeve length. Samples have always been made in size large. Samples from 5 years ago fit larger than samples from one year ago. That is empirical, and what we wanted to adjust.
Everyone weighing in on this conversation has been around here long enough to know that some things size small and some things size big. Sometimes we make mistakes on a sample. Sometimes a production run shrinks more than the sample did, sometimes it shrinks less.
Sorry if this shirt does not look like it will fit you, or you've missed out on a previous product for similar reasons.
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The is perhaps the most beautiful shirt I have ever seen. Can’t wait!!
