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  • A
    Anesthetist
    見習いボス
    Joined: 14 May 2011

    @popvulture:

    @neph93:

    @Perpetual_beta:

    In a cycling Forum that I participate in for the last 20 years with a very active marketplace the 20 post rule has decreased spam a lot.

    That is good to hear. Thanks.

    I'll second this, even would go so far as to say making it higher wouldn't hurt at all, should y'all ever decide 20 isn't filtering enough. I belong to several music gear message boards that have some pretty stringent buy/sell/trade requirements and it hasn't made it any more difficult for sellers. I'm a firm believer that it's great for the community.

    I agree wholeheartedly. Watchuseek used to have a similar rule and I think it helped clean up their sales area.

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    IG: bluehandsslim

    last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 00:47 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
    • J
      J-IV
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 19 Oct 2011

      Diggin' the new policy.
      I always viewed this place as a community - where we nerd out (way too hard sometimes) on IH and the like, banter, and bullshit. The marketplace was always a nice bonus to all of that.

      As mentioned in the thread, it really isn't difficult to rank up 20 post or so. I feel thats plenty of time to get a feel of this place and orient yourselves to the guidelines, as well.

      I'm as ugly as you

      last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 00:55 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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        jimmer_5
        Haraki san Student
        Joined: 15 Dec 2020

        @Giles:

        That's a good point Jeff, but I don't know what the best approach is.  Whatever we do will be a compromise. As far as I am concerned, I built this place to be a place where people could talk about stuff, interact and have a good time, that to my mind is still the primary purpose.  The buying and selling boards are of secondary consideration, and frankly, if people can't be bothered to give anything back, in the form of some sort of contribution to the community, then will we miss them?

        What is undeniable, is that the number of first-time posters whose first interaction here is to sell something, is increasing massively….

        At risk of coming off like a kiss ass, I agree with this entire statement.  I'll admit, I'm guilty of not contributing enough around here, but I would agree that the primary purpose of this forum is to buid friendships with like minded people.  I appreciate the quality of the community and the conversation around here.  I feel welcome, even as a relatively low level member.

        20 posts is a pretty low bar in my opinion.  I can see it being a little difficult for someone who is new to the brand, but I would imagine a person could build their post count by simply asking questions and interacting a bit with those kind enough to answer.  It's really not that hard for someone with a bit of personality.

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          Sage954
          Iron Heart Deity
          Joined: 1 Apr 2012

          Other forums I’m on ( all sports related) require a 50 post minimum to put up a for sale thread or to respond to an item for sale. 50 posts also unlocks a member only section of the forum. Most spam eliminated. Can’t get em all.

          last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 02:39 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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            motojobobo
            啓蒙家
            Joined: 22 Aug 2015

            Good idea to set a minimum post quantity before gaining access to the Marketplace board. If the scamming were to prove still excessive after that conditionality is in place, you could add a second condition to it. I’m thinking of a TIME dimension. So to get access to the Marketplace you would be required to meet two criteria:

            1. minimum # of posts
              AND
            2. minimum elapsed time since member joined (3 months perhaps?)

            The journey is the objective.

            last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 04:26 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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              neph93
              見習いボス
              Joined: 18 Aug 2014

              @bunbut:

              How about read only if less than 20 posts?  Buy only can't sell?  I still would like to read what for sales.

              Sensible suggestion. The downside is that it doesn’t encourage participation. I believe the mechanics allow it. I will bear it in mind for the future.

              “Some of those that work forces
              Are the same that burn crosses”

              • Virginia Woolf
              last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 05:50 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                neph93
                見習いボス
                Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                @motojobobo:

                1. minimum elapsed time since member joined (3 months perhaps?)

                I like that for a number of reasons, but I’m not sure the software manages it automatically. The new platform might though…

                “Some of those that work forces
                Are the same that burn crosses”

                • Virginia Woolf
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                  jfk1117
                  Haraki san Student
                  Joined: 28 Sept 2022

                  Happy to find out why I haven’t been able to look at the buying/selling section the last few days. As a recent joiner, happy to provide my initial thoughts. I recently joined the forum to look at buying some starting IH pieces. Shout out to Clint who made my first transaction super easy. As I get older, I find a lot of changes to my wardrobe and the way I approach clothing.  That’s what drew me to IH

                  Certainly can understand the desire for wanting people to be active members of the community in order to gain access to that section of the forum. I can also say that I came close to another purchase but something seemed off, so I backed away from it. The user was not regular and was responding in ways that’s I wouldn’t expect. I find that putting this in may actually protect some new members who are simply looking to buy, as we aren’t as familiar with the way scams could be working and also with who the regulars are.

                  Tbd on if I will become more active but it’s been interesting to see people who know each other very well that have likely never met.  Appreciate all the folks I have transacted with and even those that I ended up not.

                  Wtb
                  Brown or blue hairline duck - ihsh-92 - XL
                  Flat Head <> Black Mint Pink Dobby - 44 or 46

                  last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 19:27 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                    neph93
                    見習いボス
                    Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                    @jfk1117:

                    Happy to find out why I haven’t been able to look at the buying/selling section the last few days.

                    Thank you for the thoughtful response. Important to get a newbie perspective as it is you guys this affects the most. As you point out it will also protect the newer members from dodgy folks.

                    We’re moving to a new, mobile friendly platform soon so the measure may be temporary. Otherwise, make yourself at home. Pleased to have you aboard.

                    “Some of those that work forces
                    Are the same that burn crosses”

                    • Virginia Woolf
                    last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 19:37 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                      mclaincausey
                      見習いボス
                      Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                      There may be a better way and the new forum may enable more options.

                      I don't see why a newbie with even zero posts shouldn't be able to browse and buy something, personally. A prohibition on POSTING in the sales area until some threshold is met is more than reasonable to me because there is more risk of scams there (I think–I could be wrong).

                      But, while I get wanting people to participate in the forum, some people are going to want to lurk and just use the marketplace, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I lurked for quite a while myself before I jumped into the conversations.

                      So I'm a little ambivalent about the idea of forcing people to engage the forum a certain way (aside from basic decency). I see both sides.

                      That's why I was pitching alternatives like them being repped getting them a badge and/or access to posting in the Marketplace, and so forth.  Or maybe, a shift from quantity to quality of posts: rather than a fixed number of posts, you have to introduce yourself in the introductions thread and the mods can determine on a case-by-case basis when to open up the Marketplace based on that and other posts.

                      Think it, be it.

                      last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 19:41 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        neph93
                        見習いボス
                        Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                        I agree with pretty much that whole discussion @mclaincausey

                        Unfortunately, we’re not able to decide the measures we would ideally employ, as not every variable is coded into the current platform. The current solution is more of a workaround than anything else and and the primary purpose is to confound scam and spam posting. Encouraging (no one is forcing anyone or anything), posting and interaction is hopefully a positive side effect.

                        “Some of those that work forces
                        Are the same that burn crosses”

                        • Virginia Woolf
                        last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 19:46 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                          mclaincausey
                          見習いボス
                          Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                          Very fair, @neph93 , and it shouldn't be either too arbitrary or too burdensome for you mods

                          Think it, be it.

                          last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 20:06 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • C
                            Chap
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 24 May 2016

                            @jfk1117:

                            …

                            Certainly can understand the desire for wanting people to be active members of the community in order to gain access to that section of the forum. ...

                            No, sorry but that's not the aim. It's about getting rid of 'members' thinking this is a free of cost selling platform for their shit.

                            God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

                            last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 20:12 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              mclaincausey
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                              Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                              But…. isn't it? I mean as long as they aren't scamming people, that's exactly what this forum has always provided...

                              Think it, be it.

                              last edited by 22 Nov 2022, 20:18 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                Chap
                                見習いボス
                                Joined: 24 May 2016

                                @mclaincausey:

                                But…. isn't it? I mean as long as they aren't scamming people, that's exactly what this forum has always provided...

                                Yep exactly, it is and it should be… but not for those using it as a selling-only tool, selling things that are not related to the idea of the forum and scamming people.

                                God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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                                  neph93
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                  @mclaincausey:

                                  But…. isn't it? I mean as long as they aren't scamming people, that's exactly what this forum has always provided...

                                  The Marketplace is not the forum’s raison d’être. It’s an extension of the forum itself.  There has been a recent rise in people treating it as a free e-bay, including people selling items entirely unrelated to IH, without any apparent interest in the brand or related products. This is what @Chap is referring to, and one of the things we consider “spam”.

                                  “Some of those that work forces
                                  Are the same that burn crosses”

                                  • Virginia Woolf
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                                    STR777
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 12 Jul 2022

                                    I have had great interactions with everyone I've bought from here and also enjoy reading through other posts.

                                    This may give me the little push I needed to start participating more. You have a great forum here and I look forward to becoming more active on it.

                                    last edited by 23 Nov 2022, 06:53 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                      neph93
                                      見習いボス
                                      Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                      @STR777:

                                      This may give me the little push I needed to start participating more. You have a great forum here and I look forward to becoming more active on it.

                                      Thanks for the response. For you and any others, here are a few places to start with neutral, stress free posting…

                                      • Who are you? What do you do? Why are you here? (Not as existential as it sounds)
                                        https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2.0

                                      • Where you @?
                                        https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=419.0

                                      • Because everyone has questions, right?
                                        https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10393.0

                                      • Collectors Corner
                                        https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=49.0

                                      • I guarantee everyone will find something of interest here:
                                        https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=4.0

                                      For those wanting affirmation, or just to show off (something we encourage), there’s this, arguably the heart of the forum. We are POSITIVE and honest here. This isn’t Reddit [emoji6]

                                      https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16914.0

                                      “Some of those that work forces
                                      Are the same that burn crosses”

                                      • Virginia Woolf
                                      last edited by 23 Nov 2022, 09:26 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        scarfmace
                                        Haraki san Expert
                                        Joined: 20 Feb 2015

                                        @jordanscollected:

                                        FWIW, i think many people people on here would like to ban themselves from browsing the buy/sell forum. The "impulse steal of deal" is real frickin strong on there

                                        guilty  😃

                                        "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

                                        last edited by 23 Nov 2022, 12:39 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • B
                                          boogieshafer
                                          Joined: 30 Jul 2021

                                          while i understand the reasoning on this policy i'm not a fan

                                          i've made several purchases on this site over the year and half since i discovered it but in all honesty clothing is something i wear and use not something i like to socialize/chat about so i'm well below the 20 post threshold.

                                          in fact this is probably my first post

                                          last edited by 23 Nov 2022, 17:19 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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