IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
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The core of the issue is that shipping out of the EU and charging the VAT is quite a hassle for the seller.
One is the paperwork that has to go with the shipment - but the seller also needs to set up their accounting to handle sales without VAT correctly. And to document that the goods are sent out of the EU.
Unless a shop sells a lot out of the EU it’s simply not worth the trouble. Now some decide not to ship out of the EU (and are occasionally criticized for that), others offer to ship but don’t deduct the VAT.
I assume that Iron Heart Germany is a fairly small operation, with very limited sales outside the EU (where they are in competition with IHUK, Selfedge, IH Japan etc), so a setup allowing for deduction of VAT is probably out of the question.
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@TeflonDon said in IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:
The core of the issue is that shipping out of the EU and charging the VAT is quite a hassle for the seller.
One is the paperwork that has to go with the shipment - but the seller also needs to set up their accounting to handle sales without VAT correctly. And to document that the goods are sent out of the EU.
Unless a shop sells a lot out of the EU it’s simply not worth the trouble. Now some decide not to ship out of the EU (and are occasionally criticized for that), others offer to ship but don’t deduct the VAT.
I assume that Iron Heart Germany is a fairly small operation, with very limited sales outside the EU (where they are in competition with IHUK, Selfedge, IH Japan etc), so a setup allowing for deduction of VAT is probably out of the question.
Somehow I didn't think of each iron heart as a different entity. But that kind of makes sense.
I always thought iron heart is big enough but if they aren't...A simple "hey! We are small operation so setting up dealing with international vat is not worth the hassle. We did charge vat to you. Your government will charge vat and some more duties and handling fees to you. Here's the link of explaining a bit more how you can reclaim vat from your government. If you don't want the hassle, we are happy to cancel and refund you your order. " would have saved me a lot of annoyance and them answering a bunch of posts.
Instead all I got was
"hey! You'll probably pay 20-30% extra for duties, taxes and fees!"
"Why do I have to pay 20-30% when shop page says vat is included?? And duties are usually way less?'
"you're responsible for taxes and duties since you're outside EU"
"So did I pay vat to you or no?"
"Please see your invoice attached.
You do not pay VAT and you do not pay for shipping.
Invoice says 395 €. Taxes 0. "."Ok. I don't particularly need 500€ denim so if it's 395+ 20-30%, cancel the order."
Order is cancelled and refund is on the way but as of now I still have not understood did I pay vat to germany?
From where I stand it was still "395€ taxes 0" invoice with webpage saying 395€ vat included. So 395 for EU and 500€ for the rest of the world...
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curious to know how these stretch vs UHR. my tag 32 UHR went from 33.25" in the waist to 32.25" after the initial soak/wash. after about a year of wear, roughly 290 days (lost count once i stopped wearing daily in the hotter months) they are at about 34" in the waist. currently getting their first wash (long overdue, i know.) anyway, looking for a new pair to fade this fall/winter and XHS is high up on the list, but i'm wondering if i could expect similar stretch with XHS as my UHR. i love how the UHR fit right now and it looks like a tag 33 in XHS would get me a similar fit as my UHR. for those of you with both, do you size up for XHS?
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@indigo_nico I’ve never had a pair of XHS shrink more than probably about .5 to 1” in the waist, and usually they stretch back out to the original chart dimensions, maybe a little more. My advice is always to get a pair that fits you well before you wash. FWIW I don’t put mine in the washer, rather just the tub with the tap on full hot, so you could get a bit more shrink if you go the washing machine route. Regardless, what I’ve heard from others seems to be the same effect of returning to OG chart size and maybe a wee bit more.
Edited to add that my UHRs stretched out more after the first wash, on a similar level to what you experienced.
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@popvulture thanks for the insight! sounds like that tag 33 should get me where i want to be with these... now if only i could find a tag 33 haha!
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@indigo_nico looks like Withered Fig has a pair!
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@popvulture oh shiiii!!!! thanks for the detective work. guess its time to decide on these or wait for the SBG to drop. worse problems to have i suppose!
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@indigo_nico SBG are awesome. I’d go with the XHS if I had to pick, but you can’t go wrong with either.
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Now that it's cooling down, it's time to pick resume my main fade project. So far 135 wears with 1 presoak and 1 handwash. It's good to be back baby!
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@hjl360 thanks! I've certainly enjoyed the journey so far. I didn't know I could love a pair of pants so much
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Hoping to get some help with sizing. I have a pair of 21oz 634 overdyed in a size 40 that I wore for the summer. Love them, but the waist has doubled over and basically stretched out in a bad way, and the crotch area is very “cross hatched”. I love the fit minus the waist. In reality they don’t have any extra material in the thigh/seat/crotch, hence why they are on the path to wearing out early. Here’s my dilemma:
I recently purchased a pair of XHS 634 in a size 42. The waist fits great, way better than the OD’s ever did, so I feel like I nailed it there. Everywhere else is way too baggy with more material than I care for.
If I hot soak these, is it possible that the thighs and other areas will shrink down to my liking? Is the better option finding a size 40 with a waist that measures on the larger side? Finally do I try a 633 or 666 cut in a 42?
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Thanks for getting in touch. A hot soak may shrink the thighs and seat temporarily but with wear you can expect them to stretch back out.
Your best option is likely to find a size 40 pair with a naturally larger waist measurement, since the leg and seat fit in that size seems to work for your body. Alternatively, you could try a 633 or 666 cut in size 42. These are slimmer through the thigh and leg than the 634, so they may give you the waist room you need without all the extra fabric below. Just make sure the thigh and seat measurements still work for you so you don’t run into the same wear issues you had with the overdyes.
I hope this helps!
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Hi everyone, noob question:
These 25oz jeans look incredible. I noticed in the description that they’re expected to shrink by around an inch in the waist and inseam after the first wash. I was wondering — do most people wear them as they come, or do they wash them first to get shrinkage out of the way?
Also, if they are washed prior to wearing, does that accelerate the rate at which they fade?
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I wear them for a few days just to loosen up the button holes, then soak them for an hour in the tub.
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@Damocles I soaked m for an hour and worn m when they were dry again. There are some tricks to loosen up the buttonholes, look around here and you’ll find tons of m.
The shrink in the waist will stretch back out in o time. And they get comfy quick enough.
If I’m correct the soak/wash is also advised to set the stitching a bit. Don’t know if it accelerates the fading. That just takes time I guess
Enjoy!
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@Larkens said in IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:
Don’t know if it accelerates the fading.
It does not
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Ah perfect,
Ah, perfect — since the fading isn’t accelerated, I’ll give them an initial wash or soak to set the stitching and take care of the initial inseam shrinkage. Is there a significant difference between running a gentle wash cycle with low spin and simply soaking them?
Finally, do you have any recommendations for caring for the leather patch on the back (the one showing the cut and size) during the first wash? I’d like to avoid it creasing or warping awkwardly
