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    Giles
    IHUK Crew
    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

    The creation of the 14oz denim was discussed elsewhere recently, I thought it would be interesting to articulate how it came about in a dedicated thread. It's actually hard to quantify how important this story is with regards to the Iron Heart that you see today

    It's quite a convoluted story, but it was very easy.

    A couple of things happened at very similar times.

    Firstly Haraki had launched a large seasonal collection for Triple Works. It was full of amazing stuff including a 14oz indigo denim jean. We were in Tokyo showing the collections (Iron Heart and Triple works) to our retailers. and If we were doing that, then it was a long time ago, The Clutch show in Yokohama basically put paid to what was a twice yearly pilgrimage to Tokyo with retailers to see the next seasons collections. As per norm back then, Haraki would host a dinner for the retailers, I was chatting to one of our larger retailers and asked him what he thought of the TW collection. He said that it was amazing, but that he would not buy any of it because he did not need the hassle of having another Works Inc brand and not knowing how to articulate the difference between IH and TW (to be fair, Haraki never satisfactorily explained the difference, thus nor could I - I made up a few things, but they all seemed forced and slightly bullshitty). I took Haraki upstairs for a chat and a smoke and with no hope of success explained the problem (I had been rooting for TW to be merged with IH for ages, but always got a hard no from H). To my utter amazement, he basically said "No problem, we will drop TW and merge it with IH". I needed smelling salts, not just a smoke at that point....

    So that was the beginning of the story, lighter weight stuff would be made under the IH name.

    The second key thing to happen was "The Great IHSH-101 and 102tg disaster". The outpouring of love and support we got for doing that recall was humbling and with comments such as "even the worse of these was better than some brands best efforts", I started to understand that people were buying us as much, if not more, for our quality than for heaviness of our fabrics. The next time I saw H, I explained my epiphany, and said that perhaps our tagline should change from "We never do light", to "We never do crap". After he had finished laughing, I said, so can we start making the 14oz as a core IH denim (expecting the usual hard no)? He said yes. More smelling salts needed.

    These were both pivotal moments in the genesis of the brand you see now. And in point of fact, in both cases Haraki did not need a lot of persuading. It's difficult to describe how hard it is to keep on knocking on a closed Japanese door, but because I am thick skinned and stupid, I did keep trying, but it was always with a great deal of trepidation.

    As you allude to Reuben, he did change the weft from single strand to twist double to make the 14oz more Iron Hearty. And that is what we have today.

    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      Karol
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 14 Nov 2022

      Great story! I love such stuff!

      Favorite:
      IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
      IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
      IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
      IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

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        ARNC
        啓蒙家
        Joined: 13 Dec 2020

        Same here.

        For some reason, I’m imagining Stevie @Oaktavia reading stuff like this to the little oak rather than traditional bedtime stories 😃

        “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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          will6er
          Joined: 17 Feb 2025

          Wow. Great story. Did anyone end up keeping their 101 or did they all come back?

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            Giles
            IHUK Crew
            Joined: 22 Sept 2009

            One person, who we called The C**t for a while, refused to (there were numerous other reasons for the moniker). He is no longer a member or a customer.....

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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              JunkPants
              Haraki san Student
              @Giles
              Joined: 20 Nov 2022

              @Giles said in How Did Iron Heart 14oz Come About:

              I started to understand that people were buying us as much, if not more, for our quality than for heaviness of our fabrics.

              This is 100% true in my case, and what puts Iron Heart in a league of its own.
              (I do love the heavy fabrics, but the main point for me is the overall quality)

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                seawolf
                Mod Squad
                Joined: 28 Oct 2011

                I liked Triple Works, but it being absorbed into IH makes so much more sense. Thank you for the awesome story.

                “Good design is actually a lot harder to notice than poor design, in part because good designs fit our needs so well that the design is invisible” - Don Norman

                @zeebeeleather

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                  mudhogen
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 30 Jan 2025

                  Awesome story. Love to hear about behind scenes details of our beloved IH.

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                    Oaktavia
                    見習いボス
                    @ARNC
                    Joined: 12 Jun 2019

                    @ARNC said in How Did Iron Heart 14oz Come About:

                    For some reason, I’m imagining Stevie @Oaktavia reading stuff like this to the little oak rather than traditional bedtime stories 😃

                    Little Oak! I'm dead 😍 ...we did choose Hickory for his middle name though.

                    I loved this read, how it is written and it's topic. Now do 25oz origin story! @Giles

                    IG: electricindigowizard

                    "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                    WTB: IHJ-72- XL/XXL

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                      seawolf
                      Mod Squad
                      Joined: 28 Oct 2011

                      Maybe we need a dedicated "Iron Heart Lore" thread.

                      “Good design is actually a lot harder to notice than poor design, in part because good designs fit our needs so well that the design is invisible” - Don Norman

                      @zeebeeleather

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                        ARNC
                        啓蒙家
                        @Oaktavia
                        Joined: 13 Dec 2020

                        @Oaktavia what you really need is “My first book of denim origin stories” with an XHS cover (probably not going to happen though) 😛

                        “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                          Mizmazzle
                          見習いボス
                          Joined: 29 Jun 2021

                          IH origin stories/ Lore could be a fantastic outline for the next seasons Podcast!!

                          In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                            Matt
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                            I’d personally love to hear the story of how a 14 oz Beatle Buster went into production due to overwhelming Forum support. You could even change the name of it to The Forum Cut

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                              TheChef17
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 13 Nov 2024

                              I love hearing about these stories, especially in the earlier days. I could only imagine the " I made up a few things, but they all seemed forced and slightly bullshitty" has happened once or twice more and just makes it all the better 😂

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                                will6er
                                @Giles
                                Joined: 17 Feb 2025

                                @Giles 🙂 At the risk of turning this into the "Ask anything thread" - do you find that 14 is essentially a gateway drug for your customers? They start on the 14 in one cut, find that they are way better than other stuff and wonder: just how good can 18 / 21 / 25 be!? And then the journey begins!

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                                  Karol
                                  啓蒙家
                                  @seawolf
                                  Joined: 14 Nov 2022

                                  @seawolf said in How Did Iron Heart 14oz Come About:

                                  Maybe we need a dedicated "Iron Heart Lore" thread.

                                  Yes!!!!

                                  Favorite:
                                  IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
                                  IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
                                  IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
                                  IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

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                                    Giles
                                    IHUK Crew
                                    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                    It is certainly a gateway drug for some people, those that either don't want to spend 21oz plus money or don't believe that 21oz plus will be comfortable.

                                    @alex can give you detailed info if he has time. Currently bogged down in new website launch......

                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      Aetas
                                      見習いボス
                                      Joined: 19 Jun 2013

                                      HOW DID IRON HEART XX COME ABOUT
                                      Beatiful idea @Giles

                                      So many great IH stories that should be find in one place/book/podcast.

                                      • From the ‘IHD-01 - Special G Denim Version’ to the CPO line
                                      • Shuttle-loom woven flannel with a skew made into the glorious IHSH-129
                                      • The lost and found weaver for the UHF
                                      • …
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                                        Karol
                                        啓蒙家
                                        Joined: 14 Nov 2022

                                        Can’t wait to hear the story of Mad black 25oz

                                        Favorite:
                                        IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
                                        IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
                                        IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
                                        IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

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                                          Giles
                                          IHUK Crew
                                          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                          Even we don't know about that........

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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