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    Jett129
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    @WhiskeySandwich
    Joined: 17 Aug 2011

    @WhiskeySandwich I feel like it has happened,over the years,for me, in the 555 cut. The thighs have steadily increased over time from what they initially were. Never knew what to call it. Measurement drift is a good assessment.

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      WhiskeySandwich
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      @Jett129
      Joined: 1 Mar 2023

      @Jett129 regardless, the measurement charts are indispensable. Hell of a lot better than just ordering your regular size and going "damn, that one don't fit like the others."

      "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
      -Seneca

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        Ross
        IHUK Crew
        @WhiskeySandwich
        Joined: 6 Dec 2021

        @WhiskeySandwich

        I don’t think there’s a huge amount of evidence to support a pattern of measurements shifting in any particular direction, the measurements change as you point out…which is why we always measure the new runs just like you say. Perhaps on a shirt you’ve been looking at over the last 2 runs the measurements have shifted in a certain way and it’s easy to perceive that as a meaningful shift in certain direction but on the next run it could be the opposite, we just never know until we’ve got them in hand.

        As you say, its an art not a science - different runs of fabric, even when woven on the same loom as previously, can have subtlety different characteristics from earlier runs, let alone all the other variables: The person in the factory interpreting Haraki-San’s patterns changes and the new person might ‘give it an extra 0.1 for safety’ when cutting and that results in a change to the result, maybe a machine has been freshly serviced and runs a little differently and that changes the result, perhaps they get made in summer rather than winter and the difference in ambient temperature or humidity changes the result ect ect ect

        It’s human nature to seek patterns from randomness, even if a true cause or correlation isn’t present.

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          WhiskeySandwich
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          @Ross
          Joined: 1 Mar 2023

          @Ross of course i agree with you 100%. Didn't mean to pick nits, just conveying my perception. The only 'meaningful' way it would affect things at my level would be whether the measurements suit me, in particular, or not.

          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
          -Seneca

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            Alex
            IHUK Crew
            Joined: 28 Sept 2009

            It's also something that I felt was happening, @WhiskeySandwich (specifically with shirts)

            I talked it through with Haraki, we both went away and checked historic measurements and couldn't really find any firm evidence to suggest I was correct. As Ross says, things vary run to run, sometimes we may get a run of three shirts in a row that you are interested in that are all a little smaller than we'd expect, but at the same time, the 5 that you were not interested in and therefore didnt check the dimensions of could all have been as expected or slightly larger.

            Ultimately, does it matter? We publish the charts to help you choose, does it matter if you have some L, some XL and some XXL tops? If we got to a point where XS or 4XL guys can never fit shirts or jackets as they are too big or too small respectively, we know we have a real issue

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              Matt
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              @Alex
              Joined: 4 Oct 2011

              @Alex said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

              Ultimately, does it matter? We publish the charts to help you choose, does it matter if you have some L, some XL and some XXL tops?

              😳

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                Nik
                Raw and Unwashed
                Joined: 12 Nov 2020

                I think it is cool to have size change, because preferences for tighter and looser cuts change with time, and Iron Heart clothes last longer than fit trends, so it is good to have options.

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                  WhiskeySandwich
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                  Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                  Sometimes a shirt I'm psyched on will have perfect measurements except the shoulders are too small for me.
                  It would make sense to size the entire garment for the tightest acceptable measurement in a given location, but I'd be swimming in my shirts if I sized them all for the shoulders, regardless of tag.
                  The orange SHF, for example. I was just curious if the 'drift' was a thing. I'm not asking you to change. It's not you, it's me. It just gives me FOMO! lol
                  Thanks for the responses.

                  "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                  -Seneca

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                    Jett129
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                    @WhiskeySandwich
                    Joined: 17 Aug 2011

                    @WhiskeySandwich I think all of us at this point know the drill when a new garment/restock comes out. Check the measurements,and we all,probably,have a measurement that’s critical. For me it’s sleeve length,for you it’s shoulders. I have the torso of an XXL and the arms of about an XL or Large. Lately I’ve been fortunate enough that they’ve been able to find me some perfect sleeve lengths,but sometimes I miss out.

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                      Jett129
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                      @Karol
                      Joined: 17 Aug 2011

                      @Karol This is the bike.

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                        Oaktavia
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                        Joined: 12 Jun 2019

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                        What are these? I can only find the 817 that look similar with the orange thread. I might want to pick these up online but not sure...

                        IG: electricindigowizard

                        "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                        WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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                          scooter
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                          @Oaktavia
                          Joined: 26 Dec 2015

                          @Oaktavia , I don't think they are 817. I have a pair, and they don't have the standard IH arcs...

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                          Edit: I don't see any tools pockets, either...

                          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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                            Oaktavia
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                            @scooter
                            Joined: 12 Jun 2019

                            @scooter I think they might be the same 16oz denim but unsure. I also think I might have already asked this question here a while back but don't remember.

                            IG: electricindigowizard

                            "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                            WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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                              goosehd
                              Mod Squad
                              @Oaktavia
                              Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                              @Oaktavia I think…that the pictures are crap and that the thread is actually golden, but can’t be sure. I don’t know of any threads that were used in construction that were orange.

                              "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                Oaktavia
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                                @goosehd
                                Joined: 12 Jun 2019

                                @goosehd here are the 817 It's either orange or gold but Heddels called it orange. Edit: Does it look like the same type of denim to you? It seems similar in style and triple stitching.

                                IG: electricindigowizard

                                "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                                WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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                                  scooter
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                                  @goosehd
                                  Joined: 26 Dec 2015

                                  @goosehd , fyi, the thread on the 817 is orange.

                                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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                                    scooter
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                                    Joined: 26 Dec 2015

                                    This sounds like a question for @Giles . He may know of a similar iteration to the 817, possibly, a Japan only release.

                                    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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                                      Oaktavia
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                                      @Oaktavia
                                      Joined: 12 Jun 2019

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                                      The top photo is from the 817 thread for comparison to the photo I found.

                                      IG: electricindigowizard

                                      "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                                      WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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                                        Oaktavia
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                                        @scooter
                                        Joined: 12 Jun 2019

                                        @scooter yes agreed but thanks for providing some insight with your photo. How do you like the 817s? Yours look super nicely faded!

                                        IG: electricindigowizard

                                        "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                                        WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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                                          scooter
                                          啓蒙家
                                          @Oaktavia
                                          Joined: 26 Dec 2015

                                          @Oaktavia , I loved my 817. But, I wore them like I hated them. They're retired, now. I'll be bringing them to the party. I know some would dig seeing them irl.

                                          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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