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    Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language

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    • MattM
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      @mclaincausey said in Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language:

      A global standard puts an end to the problem.

      Fascist

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        The point is that the punctuation is necessary. It’s a single character. The counter arguments are nonsense like “restructure your sentence “ instead of just documenting language as it is spoken in text.

        Anyway, I win 🤣

        Think it, be it.

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        • Tago MagoT
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          I'm waiting for @Matt to say that you don't

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          • endoE
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            @pechelman said in Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language:

            a colon would clear up confusion about pegging

            and pegging your colon could possibly clear up all confusions here

            si tacuisses

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            • pechelmanP
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              @mclaincausey said in Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language:

              Assuming you mean the punctuation

              I didnt mean punctuation in this case. endo got the double entendre it seems 😃

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              • DeeDee85D
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                @Eza I have heard my friends mum say this a few times 😂 although I think “doofer” could be any kind of object you are trying to think of the name of and have momentarily forgot.. if that makes sense 🤔

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                • endoE
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                  @pechelman said in Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language:

                  endo got the double entendre

                  and not even native speaker, such a badass 😎

                  si tacuisses

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                  • MattM
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                      @DeeDee85 oh ok like thingamajig LOL great thanks!

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                      • mclaincauseyM
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                        I think if we’re honest with ourselves, we find it very hard not to include the serial comma in corresponding speech: try saying “lock, stock, and two smoking barrels” (which, btw, is not how the fools wrote the title) without corresponding pauses for the commas. You’ll find it difficult and it will sound odd.

                        That proves my point beyond the unassailable logic offered already—not only does the Oxford comma remove ambiguity, it reflects how the sentence is spoken, which is the ultimate aim of grammatical syntax.

                        Similarly, “my parents, Alice, and Bob” is spoken differently than “my parents: Alice and Bob” (no pause at the semicolon here) and the syntax should reflect that difference. “My parents, Alice and Bob” doesn’t reflect it and I think that’s why it just looks off to me.

                        Think it, be it.

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                        • GilesG
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                          I have no idea what an Oxford Comma is, Paule will know, but if I ask her I will get a long-winded answer, my eyes will glaze over and I won't remember a thing she said.

                          I write like I speak. If I would do a short pause when speaking, I will put a comma there. A long pause gets a full stop. Those are my personal rules, and I am happy with them...(3 or more full stops equals even longer pause of total pause)

                          Sorry if it makes reading my shite even more shite.

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            Yep agreed and that’s the random thought I just added above that sprung uninvited in my insomniac head.

                            Think it, be it.

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                            • Tago MagoT
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                              @Giles i can feel my mother aggressively rolling her eyes at the use of „would“ in a conditional clause

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                How about “would of” where “would’ve” is the intent? Fingernails on a chalkboard

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • MattM
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                                  I’m not even sure they teach English in schools anymore. I’m sure they don’t where I live.

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                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    • MattM
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                                      My favorite teacher will always be my 12 grade AP English teacher. He was one of those teachers that stays with you.

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                                        I live in Texas and we have the city of Houston, pronounced “Hews-ton”
                                        In New York City they have a “Houston Street”, pronounced “House-ton”.

                                        I don’t know why

                                        New England’s also tend to say “standing on line” vs “standing in line”.

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                                        • todyT
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                                          @mclaincausey one of the things i, as a non native speaker, don‘t get. how can you get this wrong?

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                                          • Tago MagoT
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                                            @tody Have you seen some people write in German?

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