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    Karol
    啓蒙家
    Joined: 14 Nov 2022

    It sure looks legit and frankly none of these surprises me, that's why I have only praised the jacket.
    But the low wages taint their mom-and-pop image.

    Favorite:
    IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
    IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
    IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
    IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

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      popvulture
      見習いボス
      Joined: 2 Oct 2018

      Definitely disappointing. I'm sorta in the same boat re: the jacket being the only SJ I've ever really been interested in, but nonetheless lousy about all their other goods.

      EDIT: also should add I'm not going to blindly take any of this as fact, but I feel like most of the time these things are true.

      Also, off topic — what was the price of the Willis before the recent increase?

      WTB
      IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
      Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

      last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:20 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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        Boyo
        The Unwoven
        Joined: 18 Oct 2017

        ^ I owned a wills a while ago and I want to say I paid $450-$475 for it.

        Lively Up Yourself

        last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:33 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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          popvulture
          見習いボス
          Joined: 2 Oct 2018

          Yeah I think they're $598 now, which… ouch. I'm not sure if I could stomach paying that for a canvas jacket.

          I think they were $450 when I bought mine, was just trying to remember how much I'll have to pay when my remaining tab is due.

          WTB
          IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
          Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

          last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:42 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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            Matt
            見習いボス
            Joined: 4 Oct 2011

            You know there’s a new one on B&S thats priced to sell… to a Saudi prince.    😛 😛 😛

            last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:52 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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              popvulture
              見習いボス
              Joined: 2 Oct 2018

              WTB
              IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
              Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

              last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 18:08 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                iamjustdanny
                Haraki san Student
                Joined: 17 Apr 2021

                @Boyo:

                This was going around a bit recently, supposed to be a former SJ employee, I certainly cant verify it..

                https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZgVH-iot0m/?utm_medium=share_sheet

                oooof, that's definitely not a good look at all.

                last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 01:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                  iamjustdanny
                  Haraki san Student
                  Joined: 17 Apr 2021

                  @popvulture:

                  Yeah I think they're $598 now, which… ouch. I'm not sure if I could stomach paying that for a canvas jacket.

                  I think they were $450 when I bought mine, was just trying to remember how much I'll have to pay when my remaining tab is due.

                  Yep, they've gone up in price. I got in when it was $548 and they've increased it to $598.

                  I guess with V2 comes the price increase. Adding the 2 way zipper, lining and other things, something had to give.

                  last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 02:26 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                    Matt
                    見習いボス
                    Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                    Supply chain issues.    😛

                    last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 02:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                      Karol
                      啓蒙家
                      Joined: 14 Nov 2022

                      There is something even more disturbing at closer inspection (in comment from the OP https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZgVH-iot0m/?utm_medium=share_sheet):
                      "I didn't even get into what a duplicitous piece of work with anger issues Mike is."
                      … well, that went south fast

                      Favorite:
                      IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
                      IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
                      IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
                      IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

                      last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 08:16 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        Danimal506
                        Haraki san Expert
                        Joined: 13 Aug 2019

                        If memory serves me right, Ship John was recently hiring more staff and was paying well over $15/hr plus offered medical and dental etc.
                        So yea maybe this dude and Mike didn’t get along, that’s human interaction. But who really thought they made the thermals in house?
                        Next we’re gonna find out the beanies and hats aren’t made in house! Oh no 😢

                        WTB:
                        IHC-06
                        IHSW-70 L or XL
                        UHF Pillow Cover

                        last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 12:58 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                          Salted Racer
                          Haraki san Prodigy
                          Joined: 15 Nov 2021

                          Very interesting. I know I debated between a rouge territory jacket and Ship John. I'll admit the 'exclusivity' factor and the ungodly weight swayed me over and I laid down a deposit. I get major d-bag vibes from Mike but that's my own bias showing–he could very well be the nicest dude ever.

                          Two sides to every story as well. Did Mike have "anger" issues with this guy b/c he came late every day or left early type thing...who knows

                          last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 13:33 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                            Tmulltuous
                            Haraki san Student
                            Joined: 29 Mar 2022

                            Feels like a disgruntled employee that was expecting everything right away. It takes 5-10 years in most fields here before you're competent enough to demand a decent living.

                            From a business perspective I remember him saying he orders the canvas from a textile supplier in New Jersey. Would guess its this one: http://www.fairfieldtextile.com/sounds/Stock_Items_prices_and_charges27.pdf
                            Figure $100-150 in material then you pay experienced people $100-150 to make each jacket, shipping etc, and you're at  50% margins. Obviously the costs of the machines, workspace, tools aren't there, but that is probably what keeps the brand afloat.

                            If it was just about money I imagine it would be more profitable for him to just license out the brand or sell a share on the low.

                            last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 14:03 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              steelworker
                              見習いボス
                              Joined: 16 Apr 2014

                              Mike suffered injuries from from a hatchet attack so maybe -PTSD. I don't know the guy, I can't say.

                              Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                              Well, I have others.

                              last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 14:15 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                Salted Racer
                                Haraki san Prodigy
                                Joined: 15 Nov 2021

                                Good point @Tmulltuous indeed. I can imagine a young guy starting at SJ thinking there would be some glamor, given the brand.

                                If I started at Iron Heart tomorrow, I doubt Alex is sending me to Japan right off the bat to have productive discussions with Haraki or the mills. You have to earn your way over the years.

                                Certainly, when it comes down to it, I've never heard anyone that knows the industry say anything but good things about the Wills.

                                last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 14:16 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                  Danimal506
                                  Haraki san Expert
                                  Joined: 13 Aug 2019

                                  I found out about Ship John years ago on Deans podcast. Seems pretty genuine to me. I’ll take my own opinions vs someone on tiktok.

                                  It’s very stressful running a business and paying for other people’s livelihoods. Not that I have ever owned a company. But I’d like to hear this dudes feelings after he starts his own company from scratch and has a dozen employees to take care of.

                                  https://m.soundcloud.com/deandelray/408-mike-elias-ship-john

                                  WTB:
                                  IHC-06
                                  IHSW-70 L or XL
                                  UHF Pillow Cover

                                  last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:04 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    Giles
                                    IHUK Crew
                                    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                    Let's stop the conjecture, none of us know anything about what we are talking about.

                                    And listen to this instead…....

                                    https://ironcast.buzzsprout.com/1739026/8750050-iron-cast-s1-ep6-mike-elias-from-ship-john

                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                                    last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:19 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                      Salted Racer
                                      Haraki san Prodigy
                                      Joined: 15 Nov 2021

                                      Agreed—let’s not put the ‘ass’ in assumption here. Thanks for the links will give them a listen.

                                      last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:31 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                        mclaincausey
                                        見習いボス
                                        Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                        I have a Flint & Tender trucker made from one of Fairfiel's Martexin canvases, and it is a lovely fabric. It's far superior IMO to the Barbour and Belstaff I've had exposure to, less stinky and more subtle in its application and does a great job shedding water.

                                        @Tmulltuous

                                        Think it, be it.

                                        last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:59 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                          Danimal506
                                          Haraki san Expert
                                          Joined: 13 Aug 2019

                                          On a positive my Wills should be here in a day or two!
                                          I’m glad it’s cooling off here in Texas. Hopefully I can get some good work time in it!

                                          WTB:
                                          IHC-06
                                          IHSW-70 L or XL
                                          UHF Pillow Cover

                                          last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 16:00 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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