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    Karol
    啓蒙家
    Joined: 14 Nov 2022

    Together with the Heat Straps, Ship John seem to be on top of their game right now when it comes to waxed jackets. On one hand I'm so happy that they are getting recognition, on the other hand … lead times…

    Favorite:
    IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
    IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
    IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
    IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

    last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 16:18 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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      Boyo
      The Unwoven
      Joined: 18 Oct 2017

      This was going around a bit recently, supposed to be a former SJ employee, I certainly cant verify it..

      https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZgVH-iot0m/?utm_medium=share_sheet

      Lively Up Yourself

      last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 16:19 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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        Karol
        啓蒙家
        Joined: 14 Nov 2022

        It sure looks legit and frankly none of these surprises me, that's why I have only praised the jacket.
        But the low wages taint their mom-and-pop image.

        Favorite:
        IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
        IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
        IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
        IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

        last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 16:38 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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          popvulture
          見習いボス
          Joined: 2 Oct 2018

          Definitely disappointing. I'm sorta in the same boat re: the jacket being the only SJ I've ever really been interested in, but nonetheless lousy about all their other goods.

          EDIT: also should add I'm not going to blindly take any of this as fact, but I feel like most of the time these things are true.

          Also, off topic — what was the price of the Willis before the recent increase?

          WTB
          IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
          Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

          last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:20 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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            Boyo
            The Unwoven
            Joined: 18 Oct 2017

            ^ I owned a wills a while ago and I want to say I paid $450-$475 for it.

            Lively Up Yourself

            last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:33 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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              popvulture
              見習いボス
              Joined: 2 Oct 2018

              Yeah I think they're $598 now, which… ouch. I'm not sure if I could stomach paying that for a canvas jacket.

              I think they were $450 when I bought mine, was just trying to remember how much I'll have to pay when my remaining tab is due.

              WTB
              IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
              Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

              last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:42 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                Matt
                見習いボス
                Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                You know there’s a new one on B&S thats priced to sell… to a Saudi prince.    😛 😛 😛

                last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 17:52 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                  popvulture
                  見習いボス
                  Joined: 2 Oct 2018

                  WTB
                  IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
                  Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

                  last edited by 19 Jan 2023, 18:08 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                    iamjustdanny
                    Haraki san Student
                    Joined: 17 Apr 2021

                    @Boyo:

                    This was going around a bit recently, supposed to be a former SJ employee, I certainly cant verify it..

                    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZgVH-iot0m/?utm_medium=share_sheet

                    oooof, that's definitely not a good look at all.

                    last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 01:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                      iamjustdanny
                      Haraki san Student
                      Joined: 17 Apr 2021

                      @popvulture:

                      Yeah I think they're $598 now, which… ouch. I'm not sure if I could stomach paying that for a canvas jacket.

                      I think they were $450 when I bought mine, was just trying to remember how much I'll have to pay when my remaining tab is due.

                      Yep, they've gone up in price. I got in when it was $548 and they've increased it to $598.

                      I guess with V2 comes the price increase. Adding the 2 way zipper, lining and other things, something had to give.

                      last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 02:26 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        Matt
                        見習いボス
                        Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                        Supply chain issues.    😛

                        last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 02:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                          Karol
                          啓蒙家
                          Joined: 14 Nov 2022

                          There is something even more disturbing at closer inspection (in comment from the OP https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZgVH-iot0m/?utm_medium=share_sheet):
                          "I didn't even get into what a duplicitous piece of work with anger issues Mike is."
                          … well, that went south fast

                          Favorite:
                          IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
                          IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
                          IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
                          IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

                          last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 08:16 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                            Danimal506
                            Haraki san Expert
                            Joined: 13 Aug 2019

                            If memory serves me right, Ship John was recently hiring more staff and was paying well over $15/hr plus offered medical and dental etc.
                            So yea maybe this dude and Mike didn’t get along, that’s human interaction. But who really thought they made the thermals in house?
                            Next we’re gonna find out the beanies and hats aren’t made in house! Oh no 😢

                            WTB:
                            IHC-06
                            IHSW-70 L or XL
                            UHF Pillow Cover

                            last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 12:58 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              Salted Racer
                              Haraki san Prodigy
                              Joined: 15 Nov 2021

                              Very interesting. I know I debated between a rouge territory jacket and Ship John. I'll admit the 'exclusivity' factor and the ungodly weight swayed me over and I laid down a deposit. I get major d-bag vibes from Mike but that's my own bias showing–he could very well be the nicest dude ever.

                              Two sides to every story as well. Did Mike have "anger" issues with this guy b/c he came late every day or left early type thing...who knows

                              last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 13:33 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                Tmulltuous
                                Haraki san Student
                                Joined: 29 Mar 2022

                                Feels like a disgruntled employee that was expecting everything right away. It takes 5-10 years in most fields here before you're competent enough to demand a decent living.

                                From a business perspective I remember him saying he orders the canvas from a textile supplier in New Jersey. Would guess its this one: http://www.fairfieldtextile.com/sounds/Stock_Items_prices_and_charges27.pdf
                                Figure $100-150 in material then you pay experienced people $100-150 to make each jacket, shipping etc, and you're at  50% margins. Obviously the costs of the machines, workspace, tools aren't there, but that is probably what keeps the brand afloat.

                                If it was just about money I imagine it would be more profitable for him to just license out the brand or sell a share on the low.

                                last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 14:03 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                  steelworker
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 16 Apr 2014

                                  Mike suffered injuries from from a hatchet attack so maybe -PTSD. I don't know the guy, I can't say.

                                  Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                                  Well, I have others.

                                  last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 14:15 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    Salted Racer
                                    Haraki san Prodigy
                                    Joined: 15 Nov 2021

                                    Good point @Tmulltuous indeed. I can imagine a young guy starting at SJ thinking there would be some glamor, given the brand.

                                    If I started at Iron Heart tomorrow, I doubt Alex is sending me to Japan right off the bat to have productive discussions with Haraki or the mills. You have to earn your way over the years.

                                    Certainly, when it comes down to it, I've never heard anyone that knows the industry say anything but good things about the Wills.

                                    last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 14:16 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                      Danimal506
                                      Haraki san Expert
                                      Joined: 13 Aug 2019

                                      I found out about Ship John years ago on Deans podcast. Seems pretty genuine to me. I’ll take my own opinions vs someone on tiktok.

                                      It’s very stressful running a business and paying for other people’s livelihoods. Not that I have ever owned a company. But I’d like to hear this dudes feelings after he starts his own company from scratch and has a dozen employees to take care of.

                                      https://m.soundcloud.com/deandelray/408-mike-elias-ship-john

                                      WTB:
                                      IHC-06
                                      IHSW-70 L or XL
                                      UHF Pillow Cover

                                      last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:04 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        Giles
                                        IHUK Crew
                                        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                        Let's stop the conjecture, none of us know anything about what we are talking about.

                                        And listen to this instead…....

                                        https://ironcast.buzzsprout.com/1739026/8750050-iron-cast-s1-ep6-mike-elias-from-ship-john

                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                                        last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:19 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                          Salted Racer
                                          Haraki san Prodigy
                                          Joined: 15 Nov 2021

                                          Agreed—let’s not put the ‘ass’ in assumption here. Thanks for the links will give them a listen.

                                          last edited by 20 Jan 2023, 15:31 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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