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Agitation and abrasion is what is happening in the wash. I would rather that happen to the inside than the outside.
If you wash inside out buttoned, less of the outside is exposed.

I think. I actually have no idea what I’m talking about.

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goosehd

That was why I asked if you washed them inside out…less agitation and abrasion during the wash but....aren't we all try to achieve the perfect fades? Wearing and washing them is all part of the journey.

Are you trying to keep them from fading?

neph93

Abrasion also happens just through wear. That is how jeans fade, primarily. Washing doesn’t actually strip that much indigo.

But if you want the least indigo loss possible then hand washing will always be best.

Matt

Although I wash mine inside out, I’m not entirely convinced it does anything. If you wash them by themselves then the only thing to agitate would be the smooth interior of the machine. If you wash them inside out then they agitate against themselves which is more abrasive. They’ll fade far more with wear than with washing. @swiss-jeansfreak never washes his and I’ve never seen a more faded pair of jeans here or anywhere else.

goosehd

@Matt:

I’m sorry @chrisjohnnick but once I convince Katie expatriate and move to the UK I’ll be ~~weaseling~~ applying for the next available position. The seed was slyly planted in Gosport and I’ve been lovingly tending to it daily.

@chrisjohnnick:

side question: are there any openings in the stubborn crew?

side side question: are there any openings in Nashville, TN?

I am quite stubborn and have loads of skills.

I don't know if you two @chrisjohnnick @Matt were serious (or any others are interested)…but I just got an email that Division Road is looking for staff. (Charlottesville VA)

Matt

If they open a shop in NM I’dbe serious. I’d love to work for an IH retailer but I’m not interested in relocating to VA. I worked in retail for 6 years and in customer service for 30.

@chrisjohnnick on the other hand is but a hop/skip/jump from VA. :-\

Nik

This is a coincidence, was just messaging another forum member about washing and buttoning, but in that case in relation to bleaching. I found that unbuttoned jeans folded over creating a more bleached diagonal line between bottom of fly and pocket, so when bleaching the second time I buttoned them up and there was no diagonal line the second time. So while the bleach is accelerating the process, this seems like evidence that leaving denim unbuttoned might, over time, leave an undesirable fade from where the fabric can fold. But if the wash is gentle this is probably negligible so not really anything to worry about, unless you are bleaching. In which case, button and bleach big.

chrisjohnnick

Well, 8.5 hrs each way would be a little more a commute than I'd want, but…

I mean, I guess technically when I was a touring musician I did have longer commutes

I would seriously consider a store that was in the Nashville area, though. I'd be serious (like, for serious serious) about starting up a conversation about opening up a brick and mortar in the Nashville area that carried IH, and maybe some other brands, but definitely more IH focused. I think I remember Giles mentioning at one point that they get a lot of requests for retailers wanting to stock products, but the waitlist is pretty long.

Matt

Do it. We’ll visit you.

Alex

@chrisjohnnick:

Well, 8.5 hrs each way would be a little more a commute than I'd want, but…

I mean, I guess technically when I was a touring musician I did have longer commutes

I would seriously consider a store that was in the Nashville area, though. I'd be serious (like, for serious serious) about starting up a conversation about opening up a brick and mortar in the Nashville area that carried IH, and maybe some other brands, but definitely more IH focused. I think I remember Giles mentioning at one point that they get a lot of requests for retailers wanting to stock products, but the waitlist is pretty long.

If you want to talk, just email me..

Matt

There we go…

chrisjohnnick

Well, that escalated quickly! Email incoming shortly!

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