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We know you love IH, but where do you think we can improve?

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    Giles
    IHUK Crew
    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

    @cityofdelusion Sorry that it has taken so long to respond….

    I am sorry that you feel disappointed and confused about this. So do we. We hate disappointing customers and we hate turning down possible business, we are a business after all.

    The issue is, that as a result of Brexit, our EEC business is marginal at best. What really makes it bad is that if we get a return from The EEC, we can’t reclaim the VAT or the Duty that we have paid out on the export on our customer's behalf.

    Many businesses in the UK have stopped shipping to The EEC and vica versa.  One of my favourite fishing accessories brands based in France and one of my favourite wetsuit companies who distribute from EEC do no business at all with The UK now.

    Our decision about whether we will accept a return from EEC is not a blanket approach but based on our view as to the risk of the item being returned. What contributes to this decision is things like the frequency of returns historically from a customer, whether the customer is a first time customer, whether we think the customer knows what they are doing etc. We have had 2 pairs of Wescos returned by one customer that cost us Euro500, we had a bunch of GOOD ART HLYWD returned by another customer, that cost us over Euro700.

    Our view is that a selective approach to returns is better for all concerned, after all the customer has to pay for return shipping too, than shutting down the business completely.

    The only other viable alternative is that we send items to customers in The EEC with duty and taxes unpaid, then the customer has to have the hassle and expense of sorting that out and paying for it in-country, and if they then return the item, they probably can’t reclaim any of those taxes or duties.

    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      cityofdelusion
      Joined: 1 Jun 2018

      Thank you, @Giles for taking the time to elaborate the details that go into your decision-making and making a transparent announcement like this for everyone to be informed.

      The feeling of security and trust that IH gives through, among other things, the "no quibble" return policy is personally what has made me purchase again and again from IH and only from IH. Now we can all just hope that some day, the return policy will return to normal for us EU customers depending of course on hopefully more positive political and economic developments.

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        louisbosco
        啓蒙家
        Joined: 21 Feb 2013

        can I just say, I love the Christmas chocolates.

        but is it possible to not send Christmas chocs to tropical countries and countries with summer in dec? maybe lollies might be a good alternative. ones that doesn't melt.

        "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

        • Harvey Specter
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          goosehd
          Mod Squad
          Joined: 8 Apr 2016

          That's hilarious  😃 😃 😃

          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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            goosehd
            Mod Squad
            Joined: 8 Apr 2016

            @louisbosco …maybe @Giles did that one on purpose for all of the Verstappen/Hamilton remarks…

            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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              louisbosco
              啓蒙家
              Joined: 21 Feb 2013

              @goosehd:

              @louisbosco …maybe @Giles did that one on purpose for all of the Verstappen/Hamilton remarks…

              😃 😃 😃 😃 I'll get him back in a couple weeks

              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

              • Harvey Specter
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                Giles
                IHUK Crew
                Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                @goosehd:

                @louisbosco …maybe @Giles did that one on purpose for all of the Verstappen/Hamilton remarks…

                QFT

                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  Giles
                  IHUK Crew
                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                  @louisbosco:

                  but is it possible to not send Christmas chocs to tropical countries

                  Nothing to do with the temperature outside the bag, all to do with the 🔥 within….. 😉

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    jordanscollected
                    啓蒙家
                    Joined: 13 Nov 2018

                    @louisbosco you need to snip a corner and squeeze that shit like a gogurt my man.

                    world tours:
                    888 Fat guy chocolate WT
                    Mad Red x2
                    Wabidashery

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                      louisbosco
                      啓蒙家
                      Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                      @Giles:

                      @louisbosco:

                      but is it possible to not send Christmas chocs to tropical countries

                      Nothing to do with the temperature outside the bag, all to do with the 🔥 within….. 😉

                      bet it was real hot under the collar when max was right behind lewis for that last lap  😶 😶

                      "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                      • Harvey Specter
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                        louisbosco
                        啓蒙家
                        Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                        @jordanscollected I'd probably would with ice cream. have never tried it with melted chocolate.

                        "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                        • Harvey Specter
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                        • John GaltJ
                          John Galt
                          啓蒙家
                          Joined: 5 Sept 2021

                          My only improvement suggestion would be for the jeans’ pocket bags - to somehow make them even more indestructible.  I carry my keys in my right pocket and also my knife clipped into this pocket and I typically will need to repair holes in this pocket bag long before anything else on the Jean needs any attention.  The IH pocket bags are better than brands I’ve worn in the past, so not complaining - just throwing it out there as something to further make them even more “iron”.

                          No one’s happiness but my own is in my power to achieve or to destroy.

                          last edited by 19 Dec 2021, 21:46 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • neph93N
                            neph93
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                            @John:

                            My only improvement suggestion would be for the jeans’ pocket bags - to somehow make them even more indestructible…

                            I have found that vests and man bags are an excellent work-around.

                            «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                            We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

                            • Dame Vera Lynn
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                            • BrockB
                              Brock
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 8 Sept 2015

                              @John:

                              My only improvement suggestion would be for the jeans’ pocket bags - to somehow make them even more indestructible.  I carry my keys in my right pocket and also my knife clipped into this pocket and I typically will need to repair holes in this pocket bag long before anything else on the Jean needs any attention.  The IH pocket bags are better than brands I’ve worn in the past, so not complaining - just throwing it out there as something to further make them even more “iron”.

                              I agree. I think this is the ONLY ‘flaw’ of IH jeans. It has definitely been brought up before. The best solution I have seen is light weight canvas. Amos, at Grease Point Workwear does this and it is amazing. I don’t see how changing the pocket bag material would be much of and issue unless it came down to fitting the material in to the sewing machines..

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                              • Bums_FanB
                                Bums_Fan
                                Iron Heart Deity
                                Joined: 23 Dec 2012

                                This may have already been suggested, but I would like two additional belt loops on my IH jeans.  If not two, then at least one more where there are two loops closer together at the center of the back.

                                I make this suggestion after taking notice of the IH/Division Road collaborations (502 and 602) I own. Both pairs have seven loops.  All my other IH jeans have five loops.  I like the functionality of the additional loops.

                                Note, I suspect this wouldn't be done on some of the smaller waist sizes.  So if you are looking for a place to start, waist size 34" and up please.  🙂

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                                  sabergirl
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                                  I would also welcome more loops.

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                                  last edited by 17 Feb 2022, 14:21 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • John GaltJ
                                    John Galt
                                    啓蒙家
                                    Joined: 5 Sept 2021

                                    Lined rear pockets for the 17oz Selvedge Denim Natural Indigo jeans.  I personally have to cut and iron an iron on patch into the rear pocket I carry my cell phone in of any jeans with unlined pockets (including the NIN) or a hole will wear through within three months and then continue to get bigger over time.  I haven’t experienced this issue yet with the IH jeans with lined pockets and if it does occur it takes more than a year (for me currently).  The lined rear pockets is typically one of the many advantages of purchasing the IH quality and of being “iron’.  Not being negative here - the IH products are top notch - just throwing out a small area for potential improvement of a specific product.  John

                                    No one’s happiness but my own is in my power to achieve or to destroy.

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                                      sabergirl
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                                      Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                                      Someone will correct me if this is wrong, but I think whether or not the pockets are lined depends more on the cut than the denim. 634 pockets aren’t lined, for example.

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                                      last edited by 9 Apr 2022, 14:53 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        Giles
                                        IHUK Crew
                                        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                        All the original IH jeans had unlined pockets.  We try to do it with all our jeans now, but some of the old patterns take time to update…..

                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                                        last edited by 9 Apr 2022, 16:18 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • DmartD
                                          Dmart
                                          啓蒙家
                                          Joined: 24 Mar 2021

                                          I love the lined pockets. Good to hear that you are working on it.

                                          last edited by 9 Apr 2022, 16:28 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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