IH-777S-21 - 21oz Selvedge Denim Slim Tapered Jeans - Indigo
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Sizing advice needed.
I am currently breaking in a pair of 666S-BK 21 in a tag size 33 with an actual waist of 33.1. Have worn them daily around the house etc for the last 10 days or so. They have stretched out to 34 (my actual waist is 34) and sit nicely with me able to get a thumb in at each hip (could wear them without a belt and wouldnt want them any tighter).
Was looking at picking up a pair of 777's and am struggling with sizing. Was thinking of going a 33 which has an actual waist of 33.6 but am afraid they will keep stretching and become too big.
Thoughts?
My recent experience with the 777S-21:
As measured by me, new before wear (size 31)
Waist 31.6" Thigh 11.45" Hip 3" up from crotch 19.5"After 20 wears, 12-14 hours per day
Waist 32.75" Thigh 11.8" Hip 20.1"Just remeasured the waist. Yesterday was 40 wears. 32.8". So it appears the stretch has settled down to about 1.2". These fit me quite tight at the waist, which I like. Thumbs barely in the waistband. Also, I don't wear a belt.
Appreciate the detailed breakdown man and everyone else's response. Seems like my gut feeling that the 33.6 waist will be too big is a good one.
Have signed up for notification on a size down (which would hopefully come in a little larger than the measurements) so will wait for an update on that.
In the meantime I need to distract myself from eyeing up a wabash shirt (indigo)
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Best way to distract yourself from the shop page is to get one in your closet
Haha dont tempt me! Unfortunately I am also coming up against sizing issues there….
Have got an IHSH-33 in L that fits perfect so was looking at the Wabash Western in L but the shoulders are a little tight and the sleeves are 2 inches longer! eek. May be that I hold out for the work shirt.
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Any updates on when the next production run will be for these? Everyone is sold out of the size 28
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First pair of IH. After wearing these size 33 777s about 5 times I realized I should of sized down. I like the fit of the legs but the waist is gonna be too big after they stretch out.
Size 32 should arrive this week. Hopefully those work out better.
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It’s interesting seeing the fit on those 33” pair. I’ve been considering getting a pair in that size.
I need to decide if the low rise (and narrow thigh) is something I’ll be comfortable with. I’ve owned a few second hand pairs of 777 jeans and can never quite get it right, eg 34” were too loose in the waist. Maybe 33” is the answer…. but then they’ll be very tight in other areas.
I own a pair of 555 jeans and find the crotch is too low and restricts my leg movement.
Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to 555 and 777? Something still relatively slim.
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@going_to_battle if you’re thinking IH then the only other slim cut they have is the 666, although that is slim in the top block and thigh, not the knee and lower leg.
I struggle with the waist/thigh ratio on the 555, essentially because my legs are just too chunky. The 777 works just about although a higher rise suits me better as a low rise just accentuates my short inseam.
However my build means I can successfully size down one or two sizes on the 888, giving me a higher rise, elongated silhouette, taper and the thigh, which is relaxed when TTS, becomes slim. This may work for you.
@__Nicholas I like the look of those 777 on you. If you’re keeping them as well as the w32 then get a belt in the w33 and use them as a relaxed pair. The w32 should look brilliant.
As a general point, knowing how to measure the IH way, so you know what works for you, combined with knowing the idiosyncrasies of the different denim, through experience or research is key. If you then check the different measurements of the different iterations of cuts, you can normally find something that works as variations in iterations and the vagaries of shrinkage and stretch give you wiggle room (literally and metaphorically).
For example, while most 555 iterations are lost cause for me, I could do the IH-555-XHS as the measurements are a little more generous, I can go TTS, and the shrinkage will bring the waist in line. 666 cut is the slim
In the thigh for me, but the IH-666-19L-v2 is a little larger than normal and stretches readily. Likewise the straight leg and wider fit of the 634 does not flatter my stumpy legs, but there are models where slimmer measurements plus inherent stretch mean I can size down meaningfully to achieve a more attractive fit. -
@going_to_battle if you’re thinking IH then the only other slim cut they have is the 666, although that is slim in the top block and thigh, not the knee and lower leg.
I struggle with the waist/thigh ratio on the 555, essentially because my legs are just too chunky. The 777 works just about although a higher rise suits me better as a low rise just accentuates my short inseam.
However my build means I can successfully size down one or two sizes on the 888, giving me a higher rise, elongated silhouette, taper and the thigh, which is relaxed when TTS, becomes slim. This may work for you.
It sounds like we have similar issues when it comes to finding the perfect fit, so your insight is interesting and useful.
I am 5'10" but I have quite short legs. Despite being a healthy weight of 12 stone (168lbs), I am relatively stocky, i.e. a bit of a belly (from all those beers), and quite strong thighs, so I tend to wear my jeans a bit lower than I should as I find that more comfortable. This compounds the problem of making my legs look even shorter.
I like to wear Red Wing Iron Rangers so I think I'd find the 666 cut too wide at the hem.
I will keep checking those IH measurement charts and hopefully find something that works for me.
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While I think about it, I have a quick question.
In the IH measurement charts, are the waist measurements accurate upon receiving the jeans? Or the measurements one can expect after a month's worth of wear?
For example, the IH-777S-21 in size 33 have a listed waist measurement of 33.5". Is this accurate when they are brand new? Or after multiple wears?
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For example, the IH-777S-21 in size 33 have a listed waist measurement of 33.5". Is this accurate when they are brand new? Or after multiple wears?
The measurements published on the site are an aggregate of a number of pairs of that size from the latest batch (if there are changes). They are not measured in Japan but by the crew in Gosport upon arrival there.
So to answer your question directly they are the actual measurements when sold, regardless of potential for stretch or shrinkage.
I’ll add that being an aggregate measurement, there can be small variations between some pairs… normally no more than a fraction og an inch. For example I recently enquired about the waist on the 634-XHS and @Graham was able to check and tell me that with the exception of one pair all w34’s came in at 34.6” as stated in the table with the exception of one pair at 35.2”.
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We measure them when we get them. And then try and explain what may happen with wear, in one of the bullets.
That makes sense. It was a bit of a silly question I guess, but I just wanted to make sure. Thank you.
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For example, the IH-777S-21 in size 33 have a listed waist measurement of 33.5". Is this accurate when they are brand new? Or after multiple wears?
The measurements published on the site are an aggregate of a number of pairs of that size from the latest batch (if there are changes). They are not measured in Japan but by the crew in Gosport upon arrival there.
So to answer your question directly they are the actual measurements when sold, regardless of potential for stretch or shrinkage.
I’ll add that being an aggregate measurement, there can be small variations between some pairs… normally no more than a fraction og an inch. For example I recently enquired about the waist on the 634-XHS and @Graham was able to check and tell me that with the exception of one pair all w34’s came in at 34.6” as stated in the table with the exception of one pair at 35.2”.
Thanks - that is really useful, as it might be the case that I can find a pair that roughly match my requirements, but perhaps there is a pair within that batch of sizes that is better than the others.
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It sounds like we have similar issues when it comes to finding the perfect fit, so your insight is interesting and useful.
Yes, there may me similarities. I am 6’ and weigh around 14.5 stone. True waist is 35” and true inseam is 31”. So relatively broad with short, heavy set legs.
There is no doubt that the 888 is my most flattering cut, and the IH cut I own most of. But I don’t like limiting myself and have found ways to rock most IH cuts.
Have you tried the 888? I’m a huge advocate of sizing down. It is easy with the more forgiving denim like the 21oz and the high waist means that a lot of people actually need to size down.
I need a starting waist of 35” in the 777 and 666, but can start at 33” in the 888. They are tight to start but loosen nicely. The effect on big legs is of a slim tapered cut. If I go more TTS then I get the intended relaxed tapered cut. Very versatile.
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It’s interesting seeing the fit on those 33” pair. I’ve been considering getting a pair in that size.
I need to decide if the low rise (and narrow thigh) is something I’ll be comfortable with. I’ve owned a few second hand pairs of 777 jeans and can never quite get it right, eg 34” were too loose in the waist. Maybe 33” is the answer…. but then they’ll be very tight in other areas.
I own a pair of 555 jeans and find the crotch is too low and restricts my leg movement.
Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to 555 and 777? Something still relatively slim.
@going_to_battle maybe have a look at these?:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/bottoms/ih-no-lot.html
Or try one of these SelfEdge exclusive cuts?:
633 cut (comes in several different fabrics)
https://www.selfedge.com/iron-heart?product_id=1278&category_id=59301 cut (also comes in a few different fabrics but I think SE might be phasing this cut out?)
https://www.selfedge.com/iron-heart?product_id=1469&category_id=59Maybe give these a try.
