IH-777S-21 - 21oz Selvedge Denim Slim Tapered Jeans - Indigo
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First pair of IH. After wearing these size 33 777s about 5 times I realized I should of sized down. I like the fit of the legs but the waist is gonna be too big after they stretch out.
Size 32 should arrive this week. Hopefully those work out better.
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It’s interesting seeing the fit on those 33” pair. I’ve been considering getting a pair in that size.
I need to decide if the low rise (and narrow thigh) is something I’ll be comfortable with. I’ve owned a few second hand pairs of 777 jeans and can never quite get it right, eg 34” were too loose in the waist. Maybe 33” is the answer…. but then they’ll be very tight in other areas.
I own a pair of 555 jeans and find the crotch is too low and restricts my leg movement.
Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to 555 and 777? Something still relatively slim.
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@going_to_battle if you’re thinking IH then the only other slim cut they have is the 666, although that is slim in the top block and thigh, not the knee and lower leg.
I struggle with the waist/thigh ratio on the 555, essentially because my legs are just too chunky. The 777 works just about although a higher rise suits me better as a low rise just accentuates my short inseam.
However my build means I can successfully size down one or two sizes on the 888, giving me a higher rise, elongated silhouette, taper and the thigh, which is relaxed when TTS, becomes slim. This may work for you.
@__Nicholas I like the look of those 777 on you. If you’re keeping them as well as the w32 then get a belt in the w33 and use them as a relaxed pair. The w32 should look brilliant.
As a general point, knowing how to measure the IH way, so you know what works for you, combined with knowing the idiosyncrasies of the different denim, through experience or research is key. If you then check the different measurements of the different iterations of cuts, you can normally find something that works as variations in iterations and the vagaries of shrinkage and stretch give you wiggle room (literally and metaphorically).
For example, while most 555 iterations are lost cause for me, I could do the IH-555-XHS as the measurements are a little more generous, I can go TTS, and the shrinkage will bring the waist in line. 666 cut is the slim
In the thigh for me, but the IH-666-19L-v2 is a little larger than normal and stretches readily. Likewise the straight leg and wider fit of the 634 does not flatter my stumpy legs, but there are models where slimmer measurements plus inherent stretch mean I can size down meaningfully to achieve a more attractive fit. -
@going_to_battle if you’re thinking IH then the only other slim cut they have is the 666, although that is slim in the top block and thigh, not the knee and lower leg.
I struggle with the waist/thigh ratio on the 555, essentially because my legs are just too chunky. The 777 works just about although a higher rise suits me better as a low rise just accentuates my short inseam.
However my build means I can successfully size down one or two sizes on the 888, giving me a higher rise, elongated silhouette, taper and the thigh, which is relaxed when TTS, becomes slim. This may work for you.
It sounds like we have similar issues when it comes to finding the perfect fit, so your insight is interesting and useful.
I am 5'10" but I have quite short legs. Despite being a healthy weight of 12 stone (168lbs), I am relatively stocky, i.e. a bit of a belly (from all those beers), and quite strong thighs, so I tend to wear my jeans a bit lower than I should as I find that more comfortable. This compounds the problem of making my legs look even shorter.
I like to wear Red Wing Iron Rangers so I think I'd find the 666 cut too wide at the hem.
I will keep checking those IH measurement charts and hopefully find something that works for me.
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While I think about it, I have a quick question.
In the IH measurement charts, are the waist measurements accurate upon receiving the jeans? Or the measurements one can expect after a month's worth of wear?
For example, the IH-777S-21 in size 33 have a listed waist measurement of 33.5". Is this accurate when they are brand new? Or after multiple wears?
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For example, the IH-777S-21 in size 33 have a listed waist measurement of 33.5". Is this accurate when they are brand new? Or after multiple wears?
The measurements published on the site are an aggregate of a number of pairs of that size from the latest batch (if there are changes). They are not measured in Japan but by the crew in Gosport upon arrival there.
So to answer your question directly they are the actual measurements when sold, regardless of potential for stretch or shrinkage.
I’ll add that being an aggregate measurement, there can be small variations between some pairs… normally no more than a fraction og an inch. For example I recently enquired about the waist on the 634-XHS and @Graham was able to check and tell me that with the exception of one pair all w34’s came in at 34.6” as stated in the table with the exception of one pair at 35.2”.
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We measure them when we get them. And then try and explain what may happen with wear, in one of the bullets.
That makes sense. It was a bit of a silly question I guess, but I just wanted to make sure. Thank you.
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For example, the IH-777S-21 in size 33 have a listed waist measurement of 33.5". Is this accurate when they are brand new? Or after multiple wears?
The measurements published on the site are an aggregate of a number of pairs of that size from the latest batch (if there are changes). They are not measured in Japan but by the crew in Gosport upon arrival there.
So to answer your question directly they are the actual measurements when sold, regardless of potential for stretch or shrinkage.
I’ll add that being an aggregate measurement, there can be small variations between some pairs… normally no more than a fraction og an inch. For example I recently enquired about the waist on the 634-XHS and @Graham was able to check and tell me that with the exception of one pair all w34’s came in at 34.6” as stated in the table with the exception of one pair at 35.2”.
Thanks - that is really useful, as it might be the case that I can find a pair that roughly match my requirements, but perhaps there is a pair within that batch of sizes that is better than the others.
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It sounds like we have similar issues when it comes to finding the perfect fit, so your insight is interesting and useful.
Yes, there may me similarities. I am 6’ and weigh around 14.5 stone. True waist is 35” and true inseam is 31”. So relatively broad with short, heavy set legs.
There is no doubt that the 888 is my most flattering cut, and the IH cut I own most of. But I don’t like limiting myself and have found ways to rock most IH cuts.
Have you tried the 888? I’m a huge advocate of sizing down. It is easy with the more forgiving denim like the 21oz and the high waist means that a lot of people actually need to size down.
I need a starting waist of 35” in the 777 and 666, but can start at 33” in the 888. They are tight to start but loosen nicely. The effect on big legs is of a slim tapered cut. If I go more TTS then I get the intended relaxed tapered cut. Very versatile.
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It’s interesting seeing the fit on those 33” pair. I’ve been considering getting a pair in that size.
I need to decide if the low rise (and narrow thigh) is something I’ll be comfortable with. I’ve owned a few second hand pairs of 777 jeans and can never quite get it right, eg 34” were too loose in the waist. Maybe 33” is the answer…. but then they’ll be very tight in other areas.
I own a pair of 555 jeans and find the crotch is too low and restricts my leg movement.
Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to 555 and 777? Something still relatively slim.
@going_to_battle maybe have a look at these?:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/bottoms/ih-no-lot.html
Or try one of these SelfEdge exclusive cuts?:
633 cut (comes in several different fabrics)
https://www.selfedge.com/iron-heart?product_id=1278&category_id=59301 cut (also comes in a few different fabrics but I think SE might be phasing this cut out?)
https://www.selfedge.com/iron-heart?product_id=1469&category_id=59Maybe give these a try.
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Thanks @manufc10, those are really interesting recommendations. Some thoughts…
IH-NO-LOT look like a really good cut for me, and it's great seeing aproy rock his in the same waist size that I'd probably go for. I'm not sure about the overdye or the model name/number... but the fit looks tempting.
Sadly the Self Edge models are probably a little too low rise for me, and shipping (tax) from the USA causes problems. I'm in the UK.
@neph93, no, I haven't tried the 888 cut yet. I just checked them out and I like the 21oz. Curiously, the leg measurements on the IH-888S cut in 31 waist are spot on… but the waist would almost certainly be too tight. That's the nature of having a bit of a belly, I guess - I'll need to hit the gym and then reassess once I lose my Dad bod!
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Size 32 this time
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^what he said
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I thought the 33” looked great on you but these admittedly look better. Good work.
