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@pechelman i agree with you. Its def just preference. but I would like to know what goes into the design of like arm hole circumference (being the space around the upper arm) and the angle of the sleeve (straight out or angled downward). It seems that a high or low armhole (based on the underarm connection to the torso), would be secondary/resultant of those primary factors. obviously they average the wearers arm size, as dudes who wear an XL will either have thick or thin arms, causing a looser or tighter fit. The angle of the arm attached would result in either more mobility or less fabric bunch under the armpit....idk maybe i answered my own question. I'm just thinking thru my fingers at this point lol sorry to ramble.
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It’s interesting with the 409. On paper, it should fit very similarly to my 178, which I no longer own.
On the 178, the sleeves came down to the middle of my palm, while on the 409 they sit at the wrist with just a bit of extra material. The 178 also fit noticeably larger overall through the chest and shoulders, even before any soaking, washing, or drying.
First chart is the 409, second is the 178.
I assume this comes down to things like armhole placement, body height, and subtle pattern differences. Since they were made at different times, small changes likely don’t show up clearly in measurements. I’m not an expert, but it’s interesting how two shirts can look similar on paper yet fit so differently in reality.
For me, if the chest fits, I can usually work with everything else.
