Movies
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@SKT Fight Club springs instantly to mind, for a lot of reasons. The movie is much tighter than the book and just really well done. I also had occasion to reread the book and rewatch the film in maybe 2017? (I was teaching in a university program that gave us instructors a limited choice of texts to teach and that was one of them, I say as a defense I probably wouldn't have picked that at random lol.) Point is, the book felt so, so dated and the dialogue just wooden and lazy, whereas the film I think stands up to time.
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The mum and dad thing is just us conditioned to think that anything ancient (Greek or Roman or Egyptian etc) has to be Shakespearean English to be authentic when, well, that isn't in the slightest bit authentic. Or for them to speak in an antiquated manner. I liked they went contemporary and tbh, I didn't get distracted at all. If it was all in classical dialect (whatever that is) I reckon it would have been far more distracting.
The mum and dad part of it, well, surely it's just translated right? Him saying 'father' appears more serious of a word but the Greeks back then would have referenced their parents using whatever the equivalent of mum and dad was.
I feel like I'm coming across as a Nolan fanboy at this point
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Nothing wrong with that at all. I’m probably one myself.
I don’t think Odyssey is the right vehicle for it, but I am now curious to see what Bronze Age life would have authentically looked like in Ancient Greece. Would they be wearing their armor at all times and swimming effortlessly in it? How did men and women, and parents and children, really address one another? How different was Sparta from Athens? Did Ithaca even exist? Where was it and what was it like? How did members of different city-states interact and get along?
Totally agree on Fight Club, as sacrilegious as it feels to admit it.
Think it, be it.
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@mclaincausey Bronze Age life would probably be very different to what we expect from “ancient Greece” as we’re going back maybe another 500 years or so (this is an extension of @Nick’s point). Life, dress, armour, social structure would not be what we’ve been conditioned to expect. I guess this is one of the things Nolan had to address. Would something more authentic to the original period look more wrong to us than a blend of our expectations of ancient Greece and modern sensibilities? Maybe authenticity is the wrong standard for a story that’s been retold and reinterpreted so many times.
I probably should see it before sharing further thoughts!
“His thoughts were red thoughts and his teeth were white.“
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@mclaincausey Wait for Elon Musk to find out the dynamics and details of Spartans between them, their wife and their lover.
The imagination is the golden pathway to everywhere - Terence McKenna
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@ARNC yep! I mean it’s Bronze Age occurrences versus Iron Age retelling. Homer himself had anachronisms in the original source material. He was recording (with poetic license) oral traditions from centuries ago, through an intervening dark age of civilizational collapse. In fact I shouldn’t have used the term “city states.”
So we shouldn’t treat The Odyssey in any form as historiography. Never was.
Think it, be it.
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@endo true. Homer “himself or themselves,” I should have said.
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@endo The white teeth hadn't even crossed my mind, and I don't think its any more significant than the casting.
I'm also pretty sure Circe misjudged, and she knew it because she did change them back. That was a misconception she conceded to. I think individual shitty behavior is all too often seen as the buzzword "toxic masculinity".
As I took it: the main theme of the movie was to not hastily act without considering the consequences of decisions made without foresight. This was applied to Circe, and every other trial in the movie. Even Odysseus's decision to go to Troy. I think this also aligns with the intent of the original story, which was the Gods reaction to Odysseus's atheism and hubris. He learned his lesson and atoned.
The only real problem with Odyssey the movie was that everybody brought preconceptions into it. The rest is quibbles, of which i have a few, but nothings perfect. Things dont have to be perfect to get enjoyment out of them.
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Shall we bring up Dwayne Johnson's look in the live action Moana?
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Got around to “Obsession” last night. The lead actor constantly pissed me off (maybe this was intentional?) but the actress who plays Nicki was incredible. Either way, lived up to the hype for me.
Might be that the horror/thriller genre has the most original writing these days. -
Yea, Obession was brilliant! It definitely lived up to the hype. The actor who played Nicki (Inde Navarrette) was the star of the film - really unsettling performance...
She only made $20k from it, which is a shame since it made $450m at the box office, but it did have a tiny budget in fairness
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1978 adult film Debbie Does Dallas
Budget was $50,000
Revenue in excess of $1 billion
Bambi Woods (Debbie) was paid $400 flat feeSounds like Dallas did Debbie
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Great to see someone make a highbrow contribution after all the chatter about The Odyssey!
