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      IrishHeart
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      @mclaincausey agree that the players do not escape blame, but that method of taking the lead and holding on for dear life has been a running theme in several games, and the coach has done nothing to address it, either in between the games or during the numerous breaks in the game.

      We saw similar failings under Southgate, and assumed this was an area Tuchel would help to resolve.

      If the tactic is to try not to lose rather than try to win, then eventually you run out of luck.

      No complaints, the better team won, just didn’t think England would hand it to them gift wrapped.

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        Well I have complaints 🤣 Tuchel is a blithering idiot. I agree he fell into the same pattern we saw against Norway and Mexico. But that was Norway and Mexico, not Argentina. Thinking you can park the bus against them was idiotic. The way England looked before that goal I think they could have won if they’d just kept doing what they were doing. Maybe the players just didn’t have it in them to do that but the barrage of goals and domination of possession were clearly unsustainable.

        Think it, be it.

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        • louisboscoL
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          messi is a disgrace. falling at every opportunity. makes me more certain he would've never made it in the prem..

          "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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          • hajdukH
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            @louisbosco a disgrace? C'mon my friend! Not a fan of this team or the attitude of these guys, but c'mon!

            "Ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have" James Baldwin.

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            • louisboscoL
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              hes got skills. the way he keeps the ball close to him is unreal. but I don't like the falling over and all the antics. he's not a hard knocks kinda player.

              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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              • Tago MagoT
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                @louisbosco the less said about the Argentinian players the better, but I think Messi is the best player of my lifetime

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                • NickN
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                  I just want to say, about Argentina that < REDACTED > and that < REDACTED > and don't get me started with < REDACTED > and not to be controversial but when they < REDACTED > and < REDACTED > < REDACTED > < REDACTED > < REDACTED > < REDACTED > < REDACTED > < REDACTED > and after that's done I would < REDACTED > and believe me, I would take the utmost pleasure when < REDACTED >.

                  That's all I have to say about them. The absolute < REDACTED > .

                  The imagination is the golden pathway to everywhere - Terence McKenna

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                  • Tago MagoT
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                    I have strong feelings about a number of Argentinian players but if the players and Tuchel hadn’t shit the bed quite so badly we wouldn’t be talking about any of this now. Accountability starts with Tuchel but everyone needs to take a hard look at themselves after that game

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      I didn’t like what Tuchel had to say about his team after the Mexico game either. It was disrespectful to Mexico and his team at the same time.

                      Anyway, I imagine he’ll get his walking papers soon enough.

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • goosehdG
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                        @Nick I like what you said there 🙂

                        “our policy of no discussions regarding politics, religion, asparagus, and other controversial issues.” - Andrew

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                        • nurunuruN
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                          I could've understood Tuchel's tactics more if it weren't for the hydration break factor. After the goal at 55', England collapsed into being on the back foot and persistently trying to defend. I can see why Tuchel would look at around 15 minutes of that kind of play and decide to throw them a bone by bolstering the defence. However... The fact is he had the hydration break to drum some sense into them, tell them to keep being positive and pushing up the pitch, and make subs that would have given fresh legs in the right places to drive that forward momentum. So, for me, it was a managerial decision based on the (defunct) premise of not being able to have all your players' undivided attention for a couple of minutes to yell some sense into them and get them all on the same page. Which I get. It's very new for football to have four quarters as opposed to two halves, and managers still have to get used to it. We all saw what a huge change a hydration break could make to a team's playing style when it was effectively used to talk about changing up the tactics.

                          But anyway. By-and-large, I thought Tuchel did well this tournament. Argentina went into overdrive at just the right time, as is their wont. Honestly amazing we held 'em off until nearly the end of regulation. The team played their bloody socks off. Proud of their efforts.

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                          • bryaneidins70B
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                            Hopefully they use the French game as a learning curve of what could have been....keep pushing and don't sit back.

                            'Fail we may…Sail we must'

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                            • JordJ
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                              @bryaneidins70 Yep. Looks like they're doing well when there's not pressure on the line...

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                              • Tago MagoT
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                                Good thing I’m not watching, I may have punched a hole in the telly

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                                • KasiK
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                                  @hajduk said in Football (Soccer):

                                  @louisbosco a disgrace? C'mon my friend! Not a fan of this team or the attitude of these guys, but c'mon!

                                  Really he was nobody’s playing with big players at Barcelona back then. Still is even he knows it.

                                  Some dream of being cool, I make it look dangerous.🖕

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                                  • KasiK
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                                    Hope Mbappe get the golden boot Messi can spin on it.

                                    Some dream of being cool, I make it look dangerous.🖕

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                                    • catdad1C
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                                      What is happening. I thought I was going to be turning the TV off at half time.

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                                      • BridgerB
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                                        Player Years Played Club Appearances Club Goals Club Assists Goal-to-Assist Ratio
                                        Lionel Messi 22 979 800 390 2.05
                                        Harry Kane 17 639 438 89 4.92
                                        Kylian Mbappé 11 486 376 140 2.69
                                        Jude Bellingham 7 316 74 48 1.54
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                                        • KasiK
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                                          What a game for England.

                                          Some dream of being cool, I make it look dangerous.🖕

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                                            It was entertaining, maybe the most fun game to watch of the WC. But really shouldn’t count for stats

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