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Why so many weights?

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    A Former User
    @jocuz07
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    @jocuz07 when you’re curious you’re at the right place. Maybe some info you would like to see out there isn’t there on the product page but don’t forget that the stubborn crew is the best out there and are always providing the best service and answers to your questions. Something you won’t find on any other brand. Also this forum is the great place with a lot of knowledge and sharing&caring. Use this to you advantage and most important just wear what you wanna wear. I love my XHS denim to death and try to hold out in them for as long as possible. The slubby denim from IH is really marvelous and cool if you’re looking for a very breathable denim. In the end it’s the way how the denim had been made that tells a lot about feel/fir/breathability. So i’ve you’re intrested take a deep dive in weave and weft and how a denim has been made. How the dying process takes place and how many layers of indigo a piece of denim has had. That all influences the feel/heft of a denim. So weight tells you something but not everything. I did a lot of time on the forum in the beginning just scrolling, reading and learning.

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      Giles
      IHUK Crew
      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

      The simple answer ti the question you pose in the thread title is, because we like tinkering and people like options.

      Weight and type of weave are objective and easy to articulate. Just about everything is subjective.

      The answer to the much broader question/comment you make in the actual post is best answered here

      https://www.ironheart.co.uk/our-denims/

      And also reading the forum and posing specific questions, but because style/comfort/etc are so subjective, dont expect too many definitive answers. One persons too heavy is another persons not heavy enough.

      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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        nytimes_gaiden
        Raw and Unwashed
        Joined: 13 Sept 2022

        Yeah to add on to what others have said, don’t think of the weights like the tog number on a duvet. They are used as short hand but often secondary to the more interesting features of the denim

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          RobeOfTheMagi
          Haraki san Expert
          Joined: 15 Apr 2024

          Yeah, for example I don't really care if my lefty Type 3 is 19 or 21 oz. The denim is just the most beautiful fabric I've ever owned ( I just wish there was a shorter jacket made from 19oz left hand twill).

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            mclaincausey
            見習いボス
            @Giles
            Joined: 12 Apr 2013

            @Giles @Alex here’s a thought: What if there was a comparison grid with the weights on the X axis and characteristics such as volume, weight, breathability, fade contrast, etc on the Y axis? Descriptors or Harvey balls could populate the grid to give an easy comparative view of the denims side by side. This could live under Our Denims on the website. This in my mind would be a very helpful aid for virtual shoppers.

            Yes I understand some of this is perhaps subjective.

            Think it, be it.

            last edited by mclaincausey 23 May 2024, 11:04 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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              Giles
              IHUK Crew
              Joined: 22 Sept 2009

              We don’t want virtual shoppers, we want real ones 😂

              It’s an @alex decision, but a load of those metrics you mention are subjective. And, this is the first time we have been asked this question in 22 years…. Not saying that it is not a sensible question, but is the juice worth the squeeze?

              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                mclaincausey
                見習いボス
                @Giles
                Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                @Giles literally? 🤣

                Think it, be it.

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                  Giles
                  IHUK Crew
                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                  Just added to my response above

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    goosehd
                    Mod Squad
                    Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                    Personally, I have thoroughly enjoyed my journey with the different IH denim weights and kind of glad I stumbled through. In my mind I have a grid that works for me and a few that are absolute standouts.

                    If someone would have told me that x is better than y, and I had listened, I would have missed out on so many great denim weights.

                    As has been stated, it’s all subjective. My favourite isn’t everyone’s.

                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

                    last edited by goosehd 23 May 2024, 11:27 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
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                      goosehd
                      Mod Squad
                      Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                      …and then to complicate things further, I have preferences in weight, cut, and inseam lengths (to facilitate rolling and what style roll).

                      It’s all a journey…

                      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

                      last edited by goosehd 23 May 2024, 11:45 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        jocuz07
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 13 May 2024

                        So what I'm hearing is that its all personal choice and subjective judgement... So I just need to buy a pair of each fabric and see for myself ;p

                        I'm thinking 16oz will probably have to be next choice then since I'm curious to see how they compare with the 21 and the others will be lined up next

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                          Eza
                          Joined: 1 May 2024

                          I think some people feel the 21oz might be too hot for certain climates or purposes and having the option for different weighs means you can wear them for different things. Like the engineer jeans with the double knee I mean that's 42oz so if you are doing hard-core work on the farm you're golden. And then you might want to wear jeans with a sports coat and you want a bit lighter jeans to coincide with the sports jacket look...

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                            drewfonse
                            Raw and Unwashed
                            Joined: 20 Nov 2023

                            Don’t sleep on the 14 oz. Still look fabulous and are ultra comfortable form the get go.

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                              DeeDee85
                              啓蒙家
                              @drewfonse
                              Joined: 5 Jun 2023

                              @drewfonse I’m about 15 wears into my first pair of 14oz after wearing 21oz all winter and I’m loving them.. a little crispier but still so comfy

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                                goosehd
                                Mod Squad
                                @Eza
                                Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                                @Eza Weight does not correlate to breathability. 21oz is pretty breathable and one of those pairs that many people wear year round. I find that 19oz is less wearable in hotter temps. than the 21's.

                                Just my $.02.

                                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                  drewfonse
                                  Raw and Unwashed
                                  @jocuz07
                                  Joined: 20 Nov 2023

                                  @jocuz07

                                  The 16 oz is interesting. Very very different from the flagship 21. I actually prefer the feel and look of the 18oz vintage if you want an alternative to the 21. Different strokes though….

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                                    drewfonse
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    @DeeDee85
                                    Joined: 20 Nov 2023

                                    @DeeDee85

                                    I could make the argument with a straight face that the different 14oz I have are my favorites.

                                    last edited by 23 May 2024, 14:29 D 1 Reply Last reply 23 May 2024, 14:31 Reply Quote 1
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                                      Eza
                                      @goosehd
                                      Joined: 1 May 2024

                                      @goosehd don't have 19oz for me I'm just like that cheap women's store "Forever 21" LOL. But when I ask denim heads that's what they tell me, I typically tell them go big or go home...

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                                        DeeDee85
                                        啓蒙家
                                        @drewfonse
                                        Joined: 5 Jun 2023

                                        @drewfonse I can believe it! A pair of 14oz indigo/black is definitely on the horizon for me after loving the standard indigo

                                        last edited by 23 May 2024, 14:31 D 1 Reply Last reply 23 May 2024, 14:37 Reply Quote 1
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                                          drewfonse
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          @DeeDee85
                                          Joined: 20 Nov 2023

                                          @DeeDee85

                                          Dude.

                                          Full disclosure, I have the 142s, the SBR, the indigo black, all in 14oz, and the OD is on its way. All awesome.

                                          I wore the ib to work yesterday, I cycle in, and they are stunning in full sun. Purple-y and creasy. And just as comfortable as the others.

                                          last edited by drewfonse 23 May 2024, 14:37 D 1 Reply Last reply 23 May 2024, 14:43 Reply Quote 0
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