Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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I've said this before, but I will repeat it.
The first 2 people we knew who contracted Covid died, they were unvaxxed. When @alex and Kira contracted Covid a few months ago, I only asked how they were feeling, because I thought I should show some concern. As they were both double vaxxed, I was in reality completely unconcerned.
To me, that distills the vax/unvax thing to its simplest form….
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I got the J and J vax so I am wondering if I can like get a Pfizer? But I was just looking and I am not even eligible to get one yet. Both my mom and my uncle gave me this weird gentle ultimatum yesterday. And my first inclination was to tell em to eff off. I was really upset. But looks like I have some time to decide because I am not even eligible.
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I plan on getting a booster when it becomes available to me, though in fairness, like others here, I had no side effects from my first go round other than a sore arm for a bit.
If you had some outstanding side effects from your original vaccine, I think it's worth a conversation with your PCP or someone to address them, though I think at the end of the day you'll be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't recommend the booster. Like Lewis mentioned, I've kinda reserved myself to the Covid booster being like the flu shot for the foreseeable future. -
I haven't ever gotten a flu shot and I don't even have a PCP.
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I think that if you got the J&J 6+ months ago you may be eligible for a booster @Filthy if I remember what I was reading last night as I registered for a booster correctly (perhaps that's specific to Colorado though).
There is some early research indicating blending various vaccines can be beneficial, though that may have been Pfizer and Moderna (the mRNA vaccines).
I strongly encourage you and all Americans (since I'm not as familiar with other healthcare systems) to get a PCP and at a minimum check in annually for an annual wellness visit. You never know what you could identify and get in front of. There are so many diseases that can be cut off at the knees with minimal cost and suffering early, but become fatal or more painful and expensive to deal with later in their progression. That includes things like high cholesterol or atherosclerosis where you might revisit diet and exercise habits to prevent a heart attack. Even trivial matters like earwax removal are attended to (I didn't know I was clogged and suddenly could hear better
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@Filthy:
I guess I would if it somehow would stop transmission or actually prevent me from getting sick. But I don't think that's the case.
I'm curious, why don't you think that's the case? Based on the medical literature, vaccination does exactly those things.
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I was a bit thrown by that too.
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@mclaincausey is 100% right, though — everybody who's received the J&J is eligible for a booster due to slightly less efficacy of that particular vaccine. For Moderna & Pfizer, it's currently just people over 65 and those 18+ who have high-exposure jobs and/or health issues.
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@Filthy:
I guess I would if it somehow would stop transmission or actually prevent me from getting sick. But I don't think that's the case.
I'm curious, why don't you think that's the case? Based on the medical literature, vaccination does exactly those things.
. I think @Filthy is right,even though fully vaccinated you can still have a breakthrough infection,and have little to no symptoms and pass the virus on to someone else. Am I missing something? Still l would take those chances as opposed to the alternative.
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@Filthy:
I guess I would if it somehow would stop transmission or actually prevent me from getting sick. But I don't think that's the case.
I'm curious, why don't you think that's the case? Based on the medical literature, vaccination does exactly those things.
I tested positive/ had a breakthrough infection (and so did my mom)
three weeksalmost a month ago. I had the J and J and she had the Moderna.Also I am not disputing the efficacy of the vaccine lessening symptoms, they do nothing from keeping you spreading it or getting reinfected. Like when my mom went to the ICU for six days she didn't die, and I felt kind shitty for like 12 hours. All I am saying is I don't want to get anymore side effects. And it seems like my immunity should be pretty good now since I have tested positive for covid on two separate occasions and also have been vaccinated.
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As far as I know breakthrough infections are relatively mild and rare. The people dying in hospitals are NOT vaccinated. You may get sick but you won’t clog up the hospitals taking beds from those who really need them. Also, being vaccinated, though not full proof, decreases the potential of getting sick and getting others sick. It also minimizes the risk of mutations that could be even worse than what we’re dealing with now. Not being vaccinated all but guarantees you will get more severely ill and pass it along to others. It will also prolong the pandemic.
Get your vaccine and get your booster. Vaccines are why we all aren’t dead from polio.
That’s my $.02.
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@Filthy:
Anybody else here having reservations about getting a booster vaccine dose? I have been having some side effects from my vaccine and am concerned they might get worse. I'm unsure about maybe getting a different booster or if that is even okay.
I don't intend to make this into an anti-vax thing just am interested in what others think. My family is telling me I have to get it or I won't be able to see them anymore. I don't want to have to keep getting these. I guess I would if it somehow would stop transmission or actually prevent me from getting sick. But I don't think that's the case.
I’m in the exact same boat. I am fully vaccinated (Pfizer) but very hesitant about the booster given the ongoing negative side effects. I will likely still get it, but I’m just uneasy about it as I don’t won’t to worsen the side effects. Given that you’ve recently had Covid, and from what I understand natural immunity is much stronger than immunity from the vaccine, I wouldn’t get it if I were in your shoes.
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Natural immunity is not stronger than vaccinated immunity. A quick google will support that. Being vaccinated after getting COVID provides strong immunity but it doesn’t work the other way around. Talk to a dr if you have questions about a booster. If I were you, I’d get an mRNA booster to supplement the J & J vaccine.
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The Israeli studies suggest otherwise,
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I read that. It goes on to say, beyond the first paragraph, that unvaccinated people who get Covid have strong immunity for a shorter period of time and are twice as likely to be reinfected. It was also a very small study group.
Changing minds is a fruitless past time. People dig in and it is what it is. I haven’t seen any Tik Toks of people dying in hospitals saying they’re really glad they chose not to get vaccinated.
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I’m just not willing to take any chances with this. What people know about immunity and the differences between natural and vaccine induced antibodies is still evolving. It’s not as simple as antibodies means immunity. What I mentioned previously about following up an infection with a shot is mentioned repeatedly in that science.org article. I’m not willing to bet on just being sick though. Think of places in the south that, based on the natural immunity argument, should have had strong herd immunity long ago. Those states are the first to spike during resurgences.
The shots are an easy decision for my family. Why gamble with our health when there is a shot that is proven to keep us out of the hospital? My kids will be first in line in day one. I’ll sleep better.
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What the study doesn't (and can't) show is the 10 year mortality of people who got scarred lung tissue and myocardia from having been infected. "Yay, I got the natural antibodies and all it cost me was some chronic tissue damage!"
Natural immunity is great, but it's better to blunt any infection you might get to minimize risks to yourself and your community, and if you get infected, great, you'll have layers of artificial and natural protection:
The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
Plus, I've never had better 5G reception
