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    T4920
    見習いボス
    Joined: 27 Apr 2022

    I've wondered this for a while, but is there a functional reason that the right breast pocket on work shirts is typically a few millimetres higher than the left one?

    “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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      Giles
      IHUK Crew
      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

      I wish I could think of a good reason.  But no.  It's a human being thing and they aren't all perfect…...

      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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        T4920
        見習いボス
        Joined: 27 Apr 2022

        @Giles:

        I wish I could think of a good reason.  But no.  It's a human being thing and they aren't all perfect…...

        Makes sense! It's just odd that shirts I own from IH, The Flat Head and Studio D'Artisan all have the same quirk..

        “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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          chrisjohnnick
          Iron Heart Deity
          Joined: 7 Jan 2021

          Think I know the answer, but just want to confirm.

          Is the IHSH-07 the same exact fabric as the 807 bibs?

          I would love to have a perfect matching set.

          Wants List:
          IHSH-20-Red, XL
          IHSH-208-Indigo Kersey, L-XL
          IHSH-254-Grey Kersey, L-XL
          IHSW-45 Black, M
          IH-526SV 21oz type III, 38 or 40
          IH-777S-SB size 32
          IH-777S-142 size 31 or 32

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            Giles
            IHUK Crew
            Joined: 22 Sept 2009

            Yep.  Well, to be pedantic, no because it will have been from a different batch of fabric…...

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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              chrisjohnnick
              Iron Heart Deity
              Joined: 7 Jan 2021

              Ha, well yea, mostly just wanted to see if it would be the same stripe thickness and such

              Wants List:
              IHSH-20-Red, XL
              IHSH-208-Indigo Kersey, L-XL
              IHSH-254-Grey Kersey, L-XL
              IHSW-45 Black, M
              IH-526SV 21oz type III, 38 or 40
              IH-777S-SB size 32
              IH-777S-142 size 31 or 32

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                Oaktavia
                見習いボス
                Joined: 12 Jun 2019

                @chrisjohnnick:

                Think I know the answer, but just want to confirm.

                Is the IHSH-07 the same exact fabric as the 807 bibs?

                I would love to have a perfect matching set.

                I wondered this myself and figured you'd be trying to find this out!

                IG: electricindigowizard

                "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                WTB: IHJ-72- XL/XXL

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                  Wouterk
                  Joined: 18 Sept 2022

                  Hi all,

                  Need some sizing help from you more experienced IH wearers! Hope I'm in the right channel.  🙂

                  So finally want to pull the trigger and start my adventure with a IH-666-XHS. However, I can't decide between size 33 or 34. I'm especially a bit worried about the part from thigh to knee. I'm usually in a slim/relaxed tapered pair, but this time I would like to go a bit more classic (just not as much yet as the 643). Also would value a little bit more room for topblok and between thigh/knee when sitting down.

                  Took some rigorous measures form my best fitting pair (in CM, sorry guys). I'll summarise them, together with the 666 33/34. The thigh of the 666 seems quite narrow, or am I missing something? Does the wider knee still make it more comfortable than tapered models somehow? Please help!

                  Denim enthusiast since 2007

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                    neph93
                    見習いボス
                    Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                    @Wouterk:

                    Took some rigorous measures form my best fitting pair (in CM, sorry guys). I'll summarise them, together with the 666 33/34. The thigh of the 666 seems quite narrow, or am I missing something? Does the wider knee still make it more comfortable than tapered models somehow? Please help!

                    Excellent work with the measurements. Your conclusions are good and the data backs them up. The 666 has a trim top block, leading into a slim upper thigh. But as you surmise the wider leg and limited taper from upper thigh to knee and knee to hem make them more comfortable.

                    One thing to consider is that you’re comparing worn jeans with fresh ones. The 666 in 21oz will loosen and stretch meaningfully.

                    “Some of those that work forces
                    Are the same that burn crosses”

                    • Virginia Woolf
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                      Wouterk
                      Joined: 18 Sept 2022

                      @neph93:

                      @Wouterk:

                      Took some rigorous measures form my best fitting pair (in CM, sorry guys). I'll summarise them, together with the 666 33/34. The thigh of the 666 seems quite narrow, or am I missing something? Does the wider knee still make it more comfortable than tapered models somehow? Please help!

                      One thing to consider is that you’re comparing worn jeans with fresh ones. The 666 in 21oz will loosen and stretch meaningfully.

                      Thanks for the quick reply! Looking at these measures and considering them stretching, would you opt for size 33?

                      Denim enthusiast since 2007

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                        neph93
                        見習いボス
                        Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                        @Wouterk:

                        @neph93:

                        @Wouterk:

                        Took some rigorous measures form my best fitting pair (in CM, sorry guys). I'll summarise them, together with the 666 33/34. The thigh of the 666 seems quite narrow, or am I missing something? Does the wider knee still make it more comfortable than tapered models somehow? Please help!

                        One thing to consider is that you’re comparing worn jeans with fresh ones. The 666 in 21oz will loosen and stretch meaningfully.

                        Thanks for the quick reply! Looking at these measures and considering them stretching, would you opt for size 33?

                        How do your oni’s etc, fit in the thigh? Close, or roomy?

                        “Some of those that work forces
                        Are the same that burn crosses”

                        • Virginia Woolf
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                          pechelman
                          啓蒙家
                          Joined: 24 Jan 2022

                          Having very similar jeans to you and also now a few 666's I've found that comparing typical tapered cuts to the straight-narrow cut of the 666 that a tapered cut with a 12.75-13.00" thigh to 8.0-8.5" knees needs about a straight cut of 12.2-12.5" thigh and ~9.0" knee to feel somewhat similar through the mid-thigh. Comfort is relative on either.  The tapered cuts can annoy me at the knee and calf where they can feel tight whereas sometimes the straight cut can feel restricting right at the top of the thigh when lunging, squatting, or trying to double up a flight of stairs. Personally, I prefer the straighter cut and find it more comfortable, but ymmv.

                          Given the numbers in your spreadsheet, and given that the XHS will tighten up after your first soak, I'd probably consider a 34 before the 33 mostly based on the thigh/knee ratios noted.  Also I'd possibly suggest you checkout the 633 from selfedge which is a 634 with a little taper from knee to hem. As a somewhat off the wall suggestion, sizing up one size in 666 fits a lot like what I'd imagine a higher-rise slim 634 to feel like….at least that's how my size 35 666-XHSib's fit compared to a set of 33 634s and 633s.  Could be an option for you depending on if you wear belts.

                          I also went ahead and did some calculation for you assuming a 4% shrink and converted it for us dumb Americans.  Keep in mind that anything experiencing tension will stretch back out (rises and thighs included....in my experience) but things like the inseam or hem will not. Basically consider the published measurements of the XHS to be where they will stretch to after wear in the waist, rises, and thigh but that the knee, hem, and inseam will be tighter or shorter after soaking/washing.

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                            chrisjohnnick
                            Iron Heart Deity
                            Joined: 7 Jan 2021

                            FWIW, I have some 666XHS that were perfect new with measurements (and compared to my existing worn in denim) and I wish I would have sized down. I usually wear a 34 flat waist and wish I now had a size 33 was it taking in the post stretch and wear measurements like @neph93 says

                            Wants List:
                            IHSH-20-Red, XL
                            IHSH-208-Indigo Kersey, L-XL
                            IHSH-254-Grey Kersey, L-XL
                            IHSW-45 Black, M
                            IH-526SV 21oz type III, 38 or 40
                            IH-777S-SB size 32
                            IH-777S-142 size 31 or 32

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                              neph93
                              見習いボス
                              Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                              @pechelman more great work. I’m impressed how there’s this tendency towards spreadsheets. Not for me, but I love it.

                              In my experience, XHS does not shrink that much and will stretch out beyond pre-soak dims with wear, like @chrisjohnnick mentions.

                              That being said, I suspect both the w33 and w34 will work, but OP will likely need to consider what kind of fit he wants.

                              “Some of those that work forces
                              Are the same that burn crosses”

                              • Virginia Woolf
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                                Wouterk
                                Joined: 18 Sept 2022

                                You guys are amazing for thinking along with me! I have a feeling that the 33 will be the best fit, as long as they stretch enough in the thigh.. That's my only concern. Safest is the 34, especially with initial soak (and the fact they only stock one 34 and still have three 33s). However, with the 34 also concerned to get too much stretching ending up with a massive empty rear. If only there would be a voting system on this forum for you guys to decide with which one to go….  :-\

                                Denim enthusiast since 2007

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                                  Jeanmoreau
                                  Joined: 19 May 2022

                                  When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?

                                  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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                                    neph93
                                    見習いボス
                                    Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                    @Jeanmoreau:

                                    When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?

                                    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                    Nope. But I use S-hooks, partially to about creases.

                                    “Some of those that work forces
                                    Are the same that burn crosses”

                                    • Virginia Woolf
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                                      neph93
                                      見習いボス
                                      Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                      @Wouterk:

                                      If only there would be a voting system on this forum for you guys to decide with which one to go….  :-\

                                      There is… [emoji16]

                                      “Some of those that work forces
                                      Are the same that burn crosses”

                                      • Virginia Woolf
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                                        chrisjohnnick
                                        Iron Heart Deity
                                        Joined: 7 Jan 2021

                                        @Jeanmoreau:

                                        When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?

                                        Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                        I use pattern hooks. Mostly do it so they can air out and such.

                                        Wants List:
                                        IHSH-20-Red, XL
                                        IHSH-208-Indigo Kersey, L-XL
                                        IHSH-254-Grey Kersey, L-XL
                                        IHSW-45 Black, M
                                        IH-526SV 21oz type III, 38 or 40
                                        IH-777S-SB size 32
                                        IH-777S-142 size 31 or 32

                                        last edited by 1 Oct 2022, 17:42 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                          Giles
                                          IHUK Crew
                                          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                          @Jeanmoreau:

                                          When you hang jeans in your closet, do you have to be really careful they are folded on the hanger without creases?

                                          Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                          No, because I throw them on the floor

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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