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    • GilesG
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      Sizing agent, usually starch…..

      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      • jordanscollectedJ
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        and if it's yellow, it's most likely corn derived as opposed to rice or tapioca.

        Here's a recent starch cook up demo I did at work (there is a yellowish hue to the corn version). waxy corn starch (higher amylopectin) on the left, and various rice and tapioca starches on the right.

        world tours:
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        • Daniel SanD
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          Ah ok 👍
          Thank you Giles !
          Do you have internet on Pilgrim?  😃

          @jordanscollected
          Now that’s interesting, never thought they use that for starch 🤔
          And the drink in the back ? Whiskey Cola starch 😄?

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          • motojoboboM
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            that info on starch colors is very cool @jordanscollected 👍🏼👍🏼 !

            Wonder whether the different sources of starch give different ‘sizing agent’ characteristics too, beyond color.

            The journey is the objective.

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            • OaktaviaO
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              @Matt:

              Not so sure about this guy though…

              The author of the book, who went by ManWoman was an eccentric and his drawing certainly reflect that lol.

              IG: electricindigowizard

              "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

              WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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              • jordanscollectedJ
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                @Daniel San the drink in the back is cold brew coffee!  Corn and rice, i believe followed by tapioca are the most popular starches used in the food industry. Corn is the least expensive, but it's getting harder to source because most corn is grown in the US, and then shipped to the east to be processed into starch. with shipping costs increasing worldwide, its sending starch prices through the roof.

                @motojobobo There may be differences in the fabric with what starch is used (of course I don't know what they are using, and we have to account for the indigo to be effecting the water color too. In food, there a massive difference in what starch is used. One quick example is rice starch, the particulates are much smaller than corn starch, and they provide a much better velvety mouthfeel in soups and sauces.

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                Mad Red x2
                Wabidashery

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                • NikN
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                  That's interesting @jordanscollected what were you doing with the different kinds of starch?

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                  • steelworkerS
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                    I'm learning way too much on the forum

                    Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                    Well, I have others.

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                    • jordanscollectedJ
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                      @Nkwkfld We're trying to help our customers who are currently struggling to find sources for starch, locate viable replacements. These starches are used in many food manufacturing camps, and they can be heated up to 285 degrees in an aseptic environment (soups, bagged sauces, etc.), made in to frozen cubes (like a cheese sauce cube dropped into a bag of broccoli to be steamed to reheat), or anything in-between.

                      Replacing a starch that works in the system with one that might work has the potential to be a huge waste of money.  We're doing the front end work where we cook it up and pouch it, and evaluate it over time in different states to see how it acts on the bench. then if we think we are close, we will send a larger quantity to the customer where they run it through the pilot plant for testing.

                      world tours:
                      888 Fat guy chocolate WT
                      Mad Red x2
                      Wabidashery

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                      • GilesG
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                        @Daniel:

                        Do you have internet on Pilgrim?  😃

                        Close enough to shore that 4 and 5G work…..

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        • MattM
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                          @steelworker:

                          I'm learning way too much on the forum

                          I hate learning.

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                          • NikN
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                            Thanks @jordanscollected thats interesting. Do you think starches could or should be used in more home cooking? If so how?

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                            • steelworkerS
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                              @Matt:

                              @steelworker:

                              I'm learning way too much on the forum

                              I hate learning.

                              don't get me started

                              Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                              Well, I have others.

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                              • jordanscollectedJ
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                                Looking to purchase a new pair of everyday hiking shoes. Anyone have cool or unique suggestions i may not have come across on the internet?

                                a bit of backstory:
                                I recently purchased a pair of Vans Ultrarange MTE and loved them out of the box. They are lined with Primaloft so they get a bit warm, but I had to send them back. When I would hike with them (for a  mile or more), the insulation would grab my sock and bunch it under my toes continuously and my feet would go numb. It was painful and incredibly annoying.

                                My leading candidate thus far is the Danner 2650 in full grain leather.

                                I have also considered:
                                Vans/Japanese collaboration
                                New Balance Horween collection. (sold out, really expensive on eBay).
                                Merrell Nova and Moab
                                Keen sneaker variations
                                Lem's (not a fan of the toe box design)
                                Altra (same)
                                many others…

                                anyone have obscure/fun suggestions?

                                world tours:
                                888 Fat guy chocolate WT
                                Mad Red x2
                                Wabidashery

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                                • MattM
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                                  I use some North Face hiking sneakers that I got before our trip.  They are waterproof which would be great for your area though that feature became obsolete once I got to the Southwest. They are comfortable, fit well and never bothered my feet.  Being sneakers they are very versatile.  If you want ankle stability a boot would be better.  They have some sneaker style hiking boots on their site.

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                                  • MattM
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                                    Also check out the Outlet section on the REI site if you haven’t.  There should be some good deals on TNF, Merrel, Keen etc.  But I’m sure like the rest of us you have homed your deal finding skills to perfection.  😉

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                                    • Paul9221P
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                                      @jordanscollected:

                                      Looking to purchase a new pair of everyday hiking shoes. Anyone have cool or unique suggestions i may not have come across on the internet?

                                      a bit of backstory:
                                      I recently purchased a pair of Vans Ultrarange MTE and loved them out of the box. They are lined with Primaloft so they get a bit warm, but I had to send them back. When I would hike with them (for a  mile or more), the insulation would grab my sock and bunch it under my toes continuously and my feet would go numb. It was painful and incredibly annoying.

                                      My leading candidate thus far is the Danner 2650 in full grain leather.

                                      I have also considered:
                                      Vans/Japanese collaboration
                                      New Balance Horween collection. (sold out, really expensive on eBay).
                                      Merrell Nova and Moab
                                      Keen sneaker variations
                                      Lem's (not a fan of the toe box design)
                                      Altra (same)
                                      many others…

                                      anyone have obscure/fun suggestions?

                                      Heya Jeff!

                                      I've been using a pair of Ridgemont Monty Hi the most:

                                      https://ridgemontoutfitters.com/collections/monty-hi-mens/products/monty-hi-oiled-suede-brown-orange

                                      I also did one hike with the Moonstar all-weather slip-on boot:

                                      https://rivetandhide.com/moonstar-all-weather-slip-on-boot-khaki.html

                                      I typically go on 4-6 mile hikes in southern California, FWIW.

                                      Blanket-line all the things!!!

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                                      • J
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                                        The Timberland Euro Hikers are pretty cool as are the peak to pavement hikers by Forsake.

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                                        • jordanscollectedJ
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                                          thanks @Matt North face is in the realm of possibility. I have been eyeing the new Vectiv releases, and they are intriguing. REI outlet has been looked into (i should look again), as well as Backcountry, moosejaw, campsaver, public lands, etc. outdoor sites that probably all ship from the same warehouse.

                                          I've also looked into Hoka, but i wish they would get rid of the giant frickin logo.

                                          world tours:
                                          888 Fat guy chocolate WT
                                          Mad Red x2
                                          Wabidashery

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                                          • GilesG
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                                            I 100% swear by Scarpa Mojitos, they are brilliant trail boots and the most comfortable footwear I have ever used:

                                            https://www.alpinetrek.co.uk/scarpa-mojito-sneakers/?pid=10004&wt_mc=uk.nbps.google_uk.219128347.13324184227.195765753482&wt_cc1=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyMiTBhDKARIsAAJ-9VuID0wPo1nVmM8w-_mKLaRcI30hx5eMduLXBkAK23_DGQj2PFeeIMgaAi1VEALw_wcB

                                            I have just ordered a pair of these.

                                            https://www.sportpursuit.com/catalog/product/view/id/1976298

                                            I use their Canyon Guides as my go-to wading boots, worn over neoprene booties and have been majorly impressed with them, so thought I'd give the hikers a go.

                                            https://bestard.com/gb/584_216-canyon-guide#/26-size-04

                                            Plus, because I am a child, I smirk every time I see the name…...

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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