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    • BoyoB
      Boyo
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      Thanks @neph93 !

      @Jett129  the timing was perfect! ..

      Im still eyeing the 666xhs.. the sale price may be too good to miss…

      Lively Up Yourself

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      • gaseousclayG
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        I’m being indecisive. 777-21’s or 777-142’s? Getting both is not an option [emoji848]

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        WTB:
        IHSH-129 size L (blue)
        IHSH-19

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        • J
          Jett129
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          Do you currently have any of the 21OZ denim? If the answer is no,I would definitely recommend that over the 14OZ,especially with the colder/Minnesota weather coming up. Just my 2 cents.

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          • scooterS
            scooter
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            ^^THIS^^

            Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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            • gaseousclayG
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              Patagonia or The North Face? I’ve had TNF gear forever but am leaning towards Patagonia this time because it’s a private company as opposed to a publicly traded company run by shareholders. I like their supply chain transparency as well but don’t know how their gear compares to TNF when it comes to warmth. Is Patagonia worth the extra $?

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              WTB:
              IHSH-129 size L (blue)
              IHSH-19

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              • mclaincauseyM
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                Patagonia is great, I'd go with them.

                That said, TNF has a Gore Tex competitor coming out with excellent performance characteristics. There's a village I think in Vietnam that will be producing it. Getting a great fabric and supporting that village would be wins. Their Ventrix jackets are great medium weight non fleece options and I'm not sure Patagonia is as strong there. Patagonia does at least as well with down sweaters and until the new NF shell hits the market, shells.

                The reasons you cite and Patagonias political commitment to the environment otherwise give them the edge for me.

                Think it, be it.

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                • gaseousclayG
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                  I think you’re right. I read an article that suggested both companies are committed to the environment but I would prefer privately owned over publicly traded any day.  The waters get muddied when shareholders get involved imo. It then becomes focused on profits and cost cutting over putting out the best possible product. I’m not saying TNF puts out garbage but company values do influence my purchases

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                  WTB:
                  IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                  IHSH-19

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                  • GilesG
                    Giles
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                    I'm a Patgucci fanboy and this is a brilliant read….

                    https://www.patagonia.com.au/pages/let-my-people-go-surfing

                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    • JDelageJ
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                      Patagonia is fine - I have a number of items - and the quality can be very high, depending on the product. However, in recent years some of their fits have gotten so skinny that it can be uncomfortable (e.g., some of the jackets are very narrow in the chest). Read the users' comments.

                      Also, make sure you compare items feature by feature, as they are often a bit poorer on features than a similarly priced competitor. For example, look at 1-way vs 2-way zippers, number of pockets, whether the wrists have a stretch seal (vs a non stretch velcro you need to reposition each time you put the jacket on & off), etc.

                      I've got the feeling their attention has shifted from product quality to corporate responsibility in the last few years (at least for their less technical gear.)

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                      • gaseousclayG
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                        @Giles:

                        I'm a Patgucci fanboy and this is a brilliant read….

                        https://www.patagonia.com.au/pages/let-my-people-go-surfing

                        Looks interesting. The more I read about the owner of Patagonia the more I like him

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                        WTB:
                        IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                        IHSH-19

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          Another high quality, stylish, and conscious maker is Cotopaxi

                          Think it, be it.

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                          • gaseousclayG
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                            @mclaincausey:

                            Another high quality, stylish, and conscious maker is Cotopaxi

                            [emoji106] Thanks, I like what I’m seeing, except for the “gear for good” tag on every garment. A minor nitpick, otherwise, their stuff looks good

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                            WTB:
                            IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                            IHSH-19

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                            • Stuart.TS
                              Stuart.T
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                              @gaseousclay:

                              Patagonia or The North Face? I’ve had TNF gear forever but am leaning towards Patagonia this time because it’s a private company as opposed to a publicly traded company run by shareholders. I like their supply chain transparency as well but don’t know how their gear compares to TNF when it comes to warmth. Is Patagonia worth the extra $?

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                              Having owned both over the years, unless you go pro range neither are that great. I have Arc-teryx now and for the money it's the best wet weather gear I've ever owned.nothing gets through it.

                              North Face has a negative name now too in the area I live as being a gang favourite. It's a uniform for some of the county line gangs and they'd stab you up for it.

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                              • gaseousclayG
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                                Forgot about Arcteryx. Here in Minnesota It’s a mixed bag of brands that are represented. I mostly see TNF & Patagonia but I do see Arcteryx on occasion and Canada Goose which seems to be worn by affluent soccer moms.

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                                WTB:
                                IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                                IHSH-19

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                                • gaseousclayG
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                                  @mclaincausey

                                  Do you own anything by Cotopaxi? I'm considering a vest or light down jacket from their sight because they're on sale but i'm unclear on their fits. Some of the reviews suggest sizing up but others don't. I actually found some Cotopaxi down jackets on clearance at REI and tried on a large, which fit well enough, but there were no xl's for me to compare sizing with. Customer support is taking longer than it should and I have yet to hear back on measurements, so I thought some anecdotal info might help. I'm also curious what you think of their overall quality.

                                  WTB:
                                  IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                                  IHSH-19

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                                  • mclaincauseyM
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                                    @gaseousclay I only know them by recommendation and while what I've seen in person appeared quality, have not owned them yet.

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • AppfaffA
                                      Appfaff
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                                      @Giles:

                                      I'm a Patgucci fanboy and this is a brilliant read….

                                      https://www.patagonia.com.au/pages/let-my-people-go-surfing

                                      Best advice I was given last year was @Giles suggesting this read to me. Got me
                                      Amped up to focus on impact with my businesses - if you haven’t read it, by far one of the most inspiring books about business, passions, and life.

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                                      • C
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                                        Good quick read on Chouinard

                                        https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/19/patagonias-philosopher-king

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                                        • neph93N
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                                          Phoenixing this thread in the hope of some solutions to a dilemma. I purchased the IHSH-234-BLK over the weekend and it is staying in Gosport while I consider snaps. It looks great as it is obviously but I had this idea it may be awesome with the pearl snaps for a bit of in-your-face contrast.

                                          @Steve has kindly and skilfully mocked it up in Photoshop, but I’ve been staring at it so long I’ve lost all sense of what I think.

                                          So is it a good idea. Pimp to pearl or leave as it is? Here is the mock up:

                                          “Some of those that work forces
                                          Are the same that burn crosses”

                                          • Virginia Woolf
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                                          • S
                                            sabergirl
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                                            I say go for the pearl! They look great.

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