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Bitch Please… FAKE Iron Heart?

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    Oaktavia
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    Joined: 12 Jun 2019

    It looks like the arcs were picked out? Or they are stealthy? Looks like they used to be there. Weird the W is backwards because it looks "real".

    IG: electricindigowizard

    "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

    WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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      jerkules
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 26 Aug 2018

      If I saw the unbranded fly button my gut reaction would be fake, but then there are the WKS button rivets and the care label that all look very authentic. I too thought the arcs had been picked out but that might be my eyesight.

      @Giles to your knowledge, have any QC failed pairs ever made it onto the secondary market? This pair is weird, and while I'm by no means an expert there's enough detail to seem authentic while the unbranded buttons and back-to-front "W" make it seem like a QC dud?

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        krebsy
        Haraki san Student
        Joined: 12 Nov 2021

        I noticed the different gauge thread used on the pockets and belt loops vs. the waist band and yoke. That seems like a detail that someone out for a quick buck would ignore. But then why the 21oz patch instead of XHS patch. Did this ever happen in past production runs? Lots of odd things going on...

        Looks like denim truly is the fabric of our salvation.

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          Matt
          見習いボス
          Joined: 4 Oct 2011

          Ooh, this one’s weird. The denim also does not look like it’s 25 oz. Looks lightweight.

          It’s a denim mystery. 🕵️‍♂️

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            Matt
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            Joined: 4 Oct 2011

            TW had the W facing the other way and the copper colored buttons. Different arcs too so without them here it’s still a possibility.

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              goosehd
              Mod Squad
              Joined: 8 Apr 2016

              Found this quote from @Giles in the 666-XHS thread:

              @Giles said in IH-666-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Slim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:

              We became aware today that on the latest batch of IH-666-XHS, we used the wrong patch.  We used the 21oz patch (but did stamp them IH-666-XHS).  If you have a pair of these mongrels, get in touch and we will sort you out.  Haraki is sending the correct patches for retro-fitting.

              If, on the other hand you want a collectors item, get in quick….....

              "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                Oaktavia
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                @Alexey164
                Joined: 12 Jun 2019

                @Alexey164 where did you find this pair?

                IG: electricindigowizard

                "Possibly splitting hairs, but I consider @Oaktavia to be the beardy, dank High Magus of this denim game…" @neph93

                WTB: IHJ-32 - XL/XXL

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                  Karol
                  啓蒙家
                  @goosehd
                  Joined: 14 Nov 2022

                  @goosehd said in Bitch Please… FAKE Iron Heart?:

                  Found this quote from @Giles in the 666-XHS thread:

                  @Giles said in IH-666-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Slim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:

                  We became aware today that on the latest batch of IH-666-XHS, we used the wrong patch.  We used the 21oz patch (but did stamp them IH-666-XHS).  If you have a pair of these mongrels, get in touch and we will sort you out.  Haraki is sending the correct patches for retro-fitting.

                  If, on the other hand you want a collectors item, get in quick….....

                  There we go! @goosehd for the rescue!

                  Favorite:
                  IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
                  IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
                  IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
                  IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

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                    Matt
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                    Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                    Very interesting. It doesn’t account for the other “issues” though (eg. copper buttons, backwards W and apparent thickness).

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                      goosehd
                      Mod Squad
                      @Karol
                      Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                      @Karol Definitely not saying they're fake or legitimate at this point...there are too many red flags for me at the moment.

                      1. Denim doesn't look right
                      2. W facing wrong direction
                      3. button on jean being unbranded
                      4. wrong tag

                      I give anyone of those a chance at being legitimate, but all of them together and I have my doubts.

                      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                        Karol
                        啓蒙家
                        @goosehd
                        Joined: 14 Nov 2022

                        @goosehd said in Bitch Please… FAKE Iron Heart?:

                        @Karol Definitely not saying they're fake or legitimate at this point...there are too many red flags for me at the moment.

                        1. Denim doesn't look right
                        2. W facing wrong direction
                        3. button on jean being unbranded
                        4. wrong tag

                        I give anyone of those a chance at being legitimate, but all of them together and I have my doubts.

                        Ohh yea, no doubts there are still questions, but Your find is the first solid clue of any sort so far.

                        Favorite:
                        IH-888S-21 | IH-888-XHSib | IH-805 | IH-729-PUR | IH-555-XHS | IH-555S-25MB
                        IHSH-339-SAX | IHSH-341-BLK | IHSH-293-OD | IHSH-362-BLK | IHSH-409-IB | IHSH-336-OD | IHSB-BIGBUCK-BLK
                        IHV-44-BLK | IHV-02-BLK
                        IHJ-75-BLK | IHJ-79-BLK | IHM-37-ODG

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                          Alexey164
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          @Oaktavia
                          Joined: 10 Aug 2023

                          @Oaktavia I bought them secondhand, they are in excellent condition, I saw similar buttons in models for Indonesia, the denim does not look 21 ounces as indicated on the patch, perhaps some kind of lightweight version. the seller explained that this is a collaboration. but the workmanship matches the true iron heart

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                            goosehd
                            Mod Squad
                            @Alexey164
                            Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                            @Alexey164 ...to be honest, my gut is screaming these are fake and I hope you didn't pay too much.

                            Edit...and I don't put a lot of faith in the "collaboration" story to explain all of the red flags.

                            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

                            last edited by goosehd 14 Nov 2023, 16:40 A 1 Reply Last reply 14 Nov 2023, 16:45 Reply Quote 0
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                              Alexey164
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              @goosehd
                              Joined: 10 Aug 2023

                              @goosehd I paid $200 for them, but again, judging by the quality of the seams, denim, salvage edges, it seems like this is some kind of special version

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                                Giles
                                IHUK Crew
                                Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                Ask what the "special" collaboration was. If it was a lightweight collab, there is virtually zero chance it would be stamped XHS.

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                  Giles
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                                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                  And we used those bronze unbranded fly buttons on quite a few different models, so that does not mean that they are fake.

                                  image.png

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    goosehd
                                    Mod Squad
                                    @Giles
                                    Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                                    @Giles Thanks G for posting that picture...one I was unaware of and appreciate the knowledge!

                                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                      Giles
                                      IHUK Crew
                                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                      That is from the DC4001's

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        goosehd
                                        Mod Squad
                                        Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                                        Does anyone else think that the button's look mangled compared to the picture that Giles just posted?

                                        Image.jpeg

                                        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                          Giles
                                          IHUK Crew
                                          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                          What I want to know is does the denim feel like XHS, if not, then they are likely fake.

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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