So this arrived today. Feeling pretty lucky. I've tried to buy many items from Ship John with zero luck thus far. Just happened to catch the Ship John live stream where Mike announced they were selling this all black / dry wax version of the Wills. I believe this only 1 of 30 pieces. Sorry for the terrible pictures. Much better on their website obviously.

Never posted a fade pic. Not near the photog some of you gentlemen are. Been wearing these on and off for about a year and half rotating with some 888XHSIB

Pretty happy with how this turned out. I'm kinda short and boxy myself.

Little over a year of wear. Supposed to be Buck Brown, but almost positive they're Tan Oiled Latigo.

Looking forward to pairing it with the all black Wills I was lucky enough to snag last year. Starting to show a little breaking in in the elbows and the shoulders. As you can tell from the chair I put it on and my hat, it is not really a black but a dark grey. Probably darker than the battleship gray, but not a true black in my opinion.

Completely agree with @DeeDee85. I think the black W is going to look great. In fact, I was already considering trying to carefully sharpie it. This is a plus to me. Really hope the measurements work!

The 21oz sashiko used for the 397 but dyed SBG, gun metal buttons in a CPO.

In my opinion the 293 is wayyyy softer. I love both and have worn both extensively, but in my opinion they're almost complete opposites in terms of softness and drape.

@mecken88 I have one of the dry wax Wills and I have worn it quite a bit. I have also been to Ship John and tried on the real deal Wills and they are almost completely different jackets. I am not saying it wasn't comfortable, but definitely way different. I cannot speak to how well a traditional Wills breaks in and becomes more wearable, but the dry waxed version I have was wearable from day 1. I'm with you for sure though, the traditional Wills is definitely on my list if I'm lucky enough to get one.

@goosehd Thank you! Will do. I have to admit, with all these legends on this forum and all the amazing fades, it was hard to hit that submit button

@Davids_denim Thanks! Completely agree. Took a lot of pictures and these were the best, but still doesn't quite capture it correctly.

@Alex Thank you for the quick response. Agree and have definitely looked at the IHSB-WJ, but really like the action-pleated shoulders on this jacket.

@ShopatIronHeart Any chance this model gets made in a dark brown leather?

@DeeDee85 Thank you! I agree, that's why I didn't send them back. I have a belt in the Buck Brown and it is significantly darker. I understand there are variances in batches of tanning, but when I look at the pictures of the Tan Oiled Latigo, they look very much like this boot in comparison to the Buck Brown

Little over a year of wear. Supposed to be Buck Brown, but almost positive they're Tan Oiled Latigo.

@mecken88 I have one of the dry wax Wills and I have worn it quite a bit. I have also been to Ship John and tried on the real deal Wills and they are almost completely different jackets. I am not saying it wasn't comfortable, but definitely way different. I cannot speak to how well a traditional Wills breaks in and becomes more wearable, but the dry waxed version I have was wearable from day 1. I'm with you for sure though, the traditional Wills is definitely on my list if I'm lucky enough to get one.

@northsouthdenimguy Not really an answer on when they will ship, but a couple of post up I said I had emailed them and they told me they haven't sent final invoices and the shirts are not complete yet. But you are correct in that it says delivery by end of November at the latest on the product page.

Looking forward to pairing it with the all black Wills I was lucky enough to snag last year. Starting to show a little breaking in in the elbows and the shoulders. As you can tell from the chair I put it on and my hat, it is not really a black but a dark grey. Probably darker than the battleship gray, but not a true black in my opinion.

Nope. I just emailed them yesterday, because it said fulfilled when I looked at my order. They said that was just housekeeping for their own records and that they had not sent any final invoices and that the shirts were not complete yet. I was worried I had missed the final payment email.

I wouldn't say it drapes heavier, but I feel the fabric isn't anywhere near as stiff as the 409, so it just hangs on the body better. I can actually hear the fabric of the 409 when I bend my arms. I don't own a lefty, but of all the IH gear I have, the 409 is the crunchiest for lack of a better description.

In my opinion the 293 is wayyyy softer. I love both and have worn both extensively, but in my opinion they're almost complete opposites in terms of softness and drape.