IH-461S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Boot Cut Jeans - Indigo

[yannis]

Hello. I need some help with sizing on this cut. I found a second hand pair but i cannot find a sizing table. I do own a 463s tag 38 that fits perfectly but cannot be any tighter. Is the 461 similar on the thigh? I know it has a lower back rise. Any input will be appreciated. For reference I wear tag 36 in the 643's. Tag 36 on the 463 it would be impossible.

[sabergirl]

So many items’ size charts were lost forever when the extinct section of the website went away! I believe the 461 had thighs that were smaller than 463. I also wear a 38 in the 463, and I could squeeze into a super black 461, but ended up selling them on because of the back rise. If memory serves, they weee wearable in the thigh, but it was tight!

[pechelman]

Sometimes you can get lucky using the wayback Internet archive; https://web.archive.org/web/20200929010024/https://www.ironheart.co.uk/bottoms/ih-461s.html

[yannis]

Thank you so much @ Sabergirl and @ Pechelman. Those thigh measurement are a definite no go. Even tag 40 has a 13.0 thigh. Tag 38 on my 463's is 13.7. So there is a big difference between the 2 cuts. Again thanks alot!

[Giles]

My rule of thumb with the 461 cut is that if you have any concern about any of the measurements, steer clear. They are infinitely hard to size correctly, which is why we stopped selling this cut

[yannis]

Thank you G. I realized that they are a no go when i looked at the size chart. I am honestly looking for another 463 but they are so difficult to find.

[Daniel San]

I love this cut and a 33 fits perfect for me, maybe even the best fitting cut for me .
Always looking for some but hard to find 🥲

[Wingnut61]

@brently I right with ya , I will and have only worn bootcut or larger , we used to slit outseam of Levi’s 501 with a 2 1/2” slit
Years ago I bought a IH-464 from Japan

it was called bell bottom but for me having to hem them quite a bit they came out to basically a IH-461. Perfect !

[Pinkpan]

Back from the grave.
This topic I mean.
My beloved 461s.
It will need a hemming since I don’t wear my jeans with cuffs anymore but it will be back in the main rotation soon.
Even looking to get another one maybe.

[Travis2375]

Found some used 461Z and they are my favorite pair. Great cut. Wish they were in continuous production and available in the US. You guys should do a return for credit only or something if the returns were that bad. Hopefully the new 463 comes to the US, looking forward to that one

[Giles]

Then we end up with a pair of jeans that we don't have a webpage which makes them difficult to sell

[yannis]

From my understanding the 461 was difficult to size correctly and that created an issue with abnormally high returns. I can understand why as a bussiness stear away from something like this. The 463 is much more forgiving and easier to size so hopefully we see them back again.

[Arkimeediz]

@Giles I've considered getting a pair of the 461Z or 461S, since bootcut is my comfort food. I was curious...what is difficult with the sizing? For example if I know my own personal measurement (not garment measurements) should I still expect to maybe get it wrong?

[Giles]

Low rise and slim thigh and knee.

[Travis2375]

@Giles said in IH-461S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Boot Cut Jeans - Indigo:

Low rise and slim thigh and knee.

The first time I put a pair on I thought 'oh no' because of the tight thighs and low rise, but once I stretched them out for an hour or so, they fit perfectly, my favorite pair now. But, I could see where someone would be thrown off by the fit the first time they put them on.

[Travis2375]

I just had a pair of these delivered yesterday, bought off ebay from Japan, 461Z new with the tag still sewn on, but there is this weird stain or washed out area on the inside. The outside looks normal, but on the inside it looks like this. I thought it was weird how the lighter color skipped the patch and pocket area. Has anyone seen this before?

[Giles]

Not seen that before....