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      @EdH brilliant. If you ever find out the name of that restaurant, I’ll be sure to visit next time I’m over!

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      • endoE
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        Overall statutory minimum wage seems to help for people like bar and restaurant staff. Here in Germany it's 12,41 Euro atm, not quite as in Norway, but it was a good improvement under the current government.

        si tacuisses

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        • WhiskeySandwichW
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          @T4920 I'm just not down with convoluted inconsistent cost models. Frankly, the last thing I want to do when I go out to eat is extra math calculations and concern myself with employee-employer business relations. Their wage negotiations should not affect the customer in any visible way. Food, cars, clothes, are all products for sale and should follow a one-price model. You list a price, you pay that price, the end. I'm not the Bistro's CFO. Ease of calculation of the bill goes a long way for repeat customers at restaurants. We go out to eat for a stress break and this stuff doesn't help lol. But yeah, scummy businesses confuse their customers about price and don't properly pay their staff, so boycott it is

          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
          -Seneca

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          • WhiskeySandwichW
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            @endo i do think a lot of minimum wages are absurdly low, some are also ridiculously high as well in some states here. I think the thing to remember with minimum wage is this: the intent here is that its an entry level wage for people entering the workforce in most cases. I made minimum wage when I first entered the work force, but the idea is to not stagnate in your career advancement. That being said, businesses should treat both employees and customers fairly, and a successful company can balance this out. I dont think extra charges and tips have any place in that balance. a "tip" should only be praise, not wage, and have nothing to do with the company. it is between two people.

            "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
            -Seneca

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              The entry-level argument for minimum wages doesn’t hold any water at this point, @WhiskeySandwich . If you look at the demographics of who works these jobs it’s majority adults, specifically women and people of color.

              Regardless of whether it’s intended for people to “stagnate” in these positions, for may people it’s the only opportunity for employment they have.

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              • WhiskeySandwichW
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                @sabergirl Sorry I didn't realize I walked into a political trope. As far as holding water, i believe that's putting the cart in front of the horse by adding demographics to those statistics. Cause or effect? People surely aren't entering the workforce at much a higher level, and it was the only opportunity I had at the time. I had to do it twice even, when my first career path didn't work out thanks to the 2008 economy. I don't believe its the "intent" to stagnate at all. Either way, I think there is much progress to be made with the rules, employers, and employees.

                "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                -Seneca

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                • WhiskeySandwichW
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                  @sabergirl I do apologize for soapboxing on the topic and didn't intend for it to turn in to a political or demographical thing. I can leave it with: Things can surely be done better. I support a better, clearer, fairer, and more consistent wage curve for all, so the current 'tip culture' can unfuck itself. lol

                  "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                  -Seneca

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                  • mclaincauseyM
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                    Speaking purely economically, I can’t make sense of the concept of a minimum wage that isn’t tied to a cost of living index like CPI.

                    Think it, be it.

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                    • neph93N
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                      @mclaincausey which is of course exactly as it should be. Although the rates of inflation at the moment wold make that extremely challenging in practice.

                      @Giles the amount of fuckery in that business up here is insane. I know most of the owners of restaurants and bars up here and they are scumbags to a man.

                      The staff turnover is insane. I fail to see how the idea of treating your staff well for them to be motivated and commited has not sunk in. Instead it is the reverse, treat them like shit 'cos there is always the next mug to do the job. The result is of course inconsistent service from either new, poorly trained, or unmotivated people.

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                      We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                      • neph93N
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                        But yeah.. pay your staff a proper wage, add it to the cost of the product and fuck tips.

                        «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                        We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                          Here in the NL the minium wage has been raised since this year, also the standard payments has been raised since and after covid, which in first is a great thing offcourse but what we often forget is that our salaries needs to be paid. When they raise those payments(above minimum) due inflation etc. we often forget that those raises can only be paid when:

                          1. The product’s gets even more expensive which leads to less customers over time which lead to cutting in hours/contracts etc.
                          2. Quantity gets above quality so they already cut in hours and the few people who’ll stay needs to do more work then they did before.
                          3. It happens everywhere so we earn more money but things get even more expensive so in the end it doesn’t feel like more..

                          I’m not a fan of tips and since i’m already working for like 15 years in retail and almost never got tips although i did my work very professionally and properly. I agree that a minimum wage should be the fair way to go but when we keep on raising the wages we keep ourselves in a constant loop which we as eagerly workers can’t break, unfortunately. That doesn’t say it’s fair but it’s a observation and even more importantly you have to do what you love!

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            It beggars belief that someone was dumb enough to think that touch screen games on the screens behind the headrest of an airplane seat was a sensible idea.

                            Think it, be it.

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                              @mclaincausey You noticed that…spent my last flight with a kid playing some game behind me… 🙂

                              "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                It’s such an obviously stupid idea. What did they think was going to happen?

                                Think it, be it.

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                                  Not this, obviously:

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                                    @tody me preparing for Monday

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                                    • GraemeG
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                                      There's currently a housing crisis in Australia. Somehow, despite having a land area close to the contiguous 48 states in the US, and a tenth of the population, we have some of the most expensive property in the world. When a friend who lives in SF thinks prices are insane, you know there's a problem.

                                      Anyway, in the news today:

                                      "There is not a single property across Australia – or even a room in a shared house – that's affordable for someone on youth allowance, according to a new report from support organisation Anglicare Australia.

                                      And just three properties Australia-wide were deemed affordable for those on a JobSeeker allowance."

                                      I'm probably moving house in a few months, and I'm not looking forward to hunting for a new place.

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                                      • MizmazzleM
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                                        This is crazy. Sounds especially drastic in Australia, but it’s a situation here in Colorado as well.
                                        When I moved here 30 years ago, I was a kid living on next to nothing in income. Yet I had my own apartment downtown and never seemed to lack beer money to go out every night.
                                        I feel very fortunate that as my income has increased I’ve been able to stay above the housing cost increases due to buying my house before shit went insane. I can’t imagine how challenging it it for young people or those that struggle with income to find a decent place to live.

                                        In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                                          I feel the same way, @Mizmazzle . When I moved to Austin 17 years ago, I could get a 2br apartment in the most desirable part of town for IIRC $800. I'd moved from Brooklyn, and had so much space in my new place that I had a couple empty rooms due to not having enough furniture to put in them. I have no idea what that place would cost now.

                                          I also bought my house before shit went nuts, and it's really wild and disheartening that the generations below me have a hard time becoming homeowners or just can't do it at all. My place is definitely what I'd call a starter home — kinda crappily constructed, built in the early 80s on the cheap — and nowadays the same place would be in the budget of well-established professionals. What you get for your money here makes my stomach turn.

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                                          • MizmazzleM
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                                            @popvulture the divide between economic classes is becoming very wide. It’s crazy how noticeable it is over the last several years. Homelessness at a staggering rate and cost of living through the roof.

                                            In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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