IH-816DD - Double Indigo Rope Dyed Canvas Work Pants

[tmg]

Given that I own both the standard 816 (navy) and Loom Breakers, I'm curious as to the actual difference between how the two fabrics are dyed - my navy 816 appear quite different to my Loom Breakers, yet they are double indigo, which I thought would make them more like the standard navy 816 in colour?

[Giles]

The standard navy IH-816 are a completely different fabric from the Loom Breakers, they are reactive dyed 17oz navy blue canvas.  If you in fact mean the IH-816DD then that is the same warp and the same weft as the Loom Breakers's but woven on a projectile loom not a shuttle loom, both at 18oz.

[deanclean]

I have no idea about all that. Can only say those evo photos are looking good. It's getting cool enough now here to be wearing mine pretty much every day. Nice to see what I can look forward to.

[tmg]

Yes, I was comparing the fabric of the standard 816 to the LB's,  but didn't realise they were that different, just assumed that they were essentially the same in terms of material and the weaving process but went through different dye processes. So how does the double indigo process differ to the reactive dye process? Is it just the permanence of the colour?

[Giles]

The double indigo is rope dyed…In the rope dying process, the indigo oxidises onto the surface of the yarn but does not penetrate the core.  Fading is really just the rubbing off of this oxidised layer and exposing the white core of the yarn.

In reactive dying, the dye is a coloured organic substance (in this case navy), it attaches itself to the yarn by a chemical reaction and forms a covalent bond between the molecule of the dye and the molecule of the yarn.  It is highly stable and you should be able to wash a reactive dyed garment with a white t-shirt with no ill effect.

[tmg]

G, thanks for the comprehensive answer, that's exactly what I was looking for, and great to see 'covalent' used in a discussion about pants [emoji1]

I'm seriously considering a pair of these 816DD's as an additional pair of work pants alongside my regular 816's since the fit is so good.

[Giles]

I thought you'd like covalent….

[apba1166]

Well, if he doesn't, I certainly do. (covalent)

And agree w/him about the fit of these. My khaki ones are great, and it is all I can do not to OD on all the rest of them.

[deanclean]

Soaked my 816DD's for the first time today to give them a refresh. I think this is the first time I haven't had to weigh down a pair of pants while soaking!

[zatenm]

Looks like a cold soak @deanclean ?

Have you measured them pre-soak and are you planning on measuring them post?
That would be immensely helpful as mine are a bit tight around the thighs and I'm dreading to soak/wash them for fear of not fitting into them anymore

[T.J.]

I gave mine a Lukewarm Soak. I had about 1 cm shrinkage length and wide wise..

[T.J.]

But they will stretch out again a bit

[deanclean]

I measured before and I am most concerned about the waist. The are a 36 and fit perfect. The shrunk during the soak but when they were wet I put a spreader in the waist to keep them at 36 as they dry

[zatenm]

Very helpful , thanks indeed @thomas01 and @deanclean [emoji106]

[Sam]

Not always one to leave things to the last minute… well actually i am but it usually forces me to do some of my best work. Giles wanted some updated shots of his 816-DD's before he flies off to Japan and he's leaving tomorrow! Hope you enjoy!

SP

[spitfiredealer]

Great pics Sam

[Aetas]

Yes indeed @Sam

[superfuzz]

Wow, I think the fit on these won't work for me, but these pics have probably sold me on getting a pair of 666DD when I retire my 666Ds.

[zatenm]

Properly stunning evo & really great pics @Sam

[Max Power]

Glad I already got a pair, These pics would make me get one otherwise.