Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
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EDIT: I should point out that all previous cargos have had a very slight taper (0.4ish") to avoid them looking flaired.
Anything else would be silly. It’s relative of course, the 634 cut has taper, but you wouldn’t call them «tapered jeans» for that. Obviously, my personal preference is the cut as it was on the last few iterations.
As far as a 777 or 888 taper goes I think that would be considered «on point» as the kids say, and I can’t see that being Haraki-san’s concern. He seems to like his military gear to stay traditional in cut, with the biker tweeks being highly practical (pocket openings, snaps etc).
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't cargos sell slow? Plus no interest from retailers? Perhaps this is because of the wider cut previous versions had. A more modern cut like the 888 might sell better. I for one would instantly cop a pair but if they were like previously versions I wouldn't.
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I for one would instantly cop a pair but if they were like previously versions I wouldn't.
QFT
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Regarding the taper: I was not looking for a heavy taper, but the discussion that led to the birth of the 633 & 888 was, that in sizes above 34 the hem gets super wide on straight cuts like the 634 or the cargoes, while the Silhouette of the wearer doesn't require that. That's why the cargoes look ace on the small japanese guys, but like huge baggy Pants on westerners with size 34+.
A hem of 8,5" in size 36 would be my ideal measurement (instead of 9,5"), so they would not drag on the floor and rub at the legs while walking. But that said, I'd also get them if they were the old cut. But when you do a rerun, it could be cool to add a Little Twist.
BTW, I'm not a fan of ripstop at all, maybe because it reminds me to much of Carhartt.
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@Max:
Regarding the taper: I was not looking for a heavy taper, but the discussion that led to the birth of the 633 & 888 was, that in sizes above 34 the hem gets super wide on straight cuts like the 634 or the cargoes, while the Silhouette of the wearer doesn't require that.
That actually hadn't occurred to me, probably because I always have mine full length and do about three full rolls. In that respect a taper might not make much difference to me… A good point, well made.
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Make from a denim 21oz nice bag with leather grips and leather floor. Print the motive of motorcycle pistons.
In SBG or 21 OD, oh and with black leather
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Max makes me think of an interesting general principle, and perhaps this already occurs in some fashion: diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks: progressive tapering within the same "cut" as measurements go up to account for the flaring effect of larger pants. Straight at small sizes, more and more tapered at larger ones, in recognition of the fact that ankles don't necessarily scale as dramatically as waists across bodies.
Duck makes me think of Carhartt, in fact it is far more associated in my mind with them than ripstop, where ripstop is more of a military thing to me. But I don't hate Carhartt either. I definitely understand it's not for everyone, but it's a good way to ruggedize a light fabric.
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't cargos sell slow? Plus no interest from retailers? Perhaps this is because of the wider cut previous versions had. A more modern cut like the 888 might sell better. I for one would instantly cop a pair but if they were like previously versions I wouldn't.
That or because it’s not the 90’s anymore. I should probably put all of my comments regarding cargos in the unpopular opinions thread. [emoji41]
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Your comments regarding cargos might not be that unpopular
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Not sure if the topic has been brought up but I'd like to see some leather suspenders
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More vintage denim! The 18oz is my favorite and the 16oz is one of my top favs. Let's get some more vintage denim combos!
Another double indigo duck as well!
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Love it. Maybe it hangs from a belt/loop
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I know I implied this in the other thread, but please do that upcoming madras in a work pattern too. Maybe with a single picked like the indigo herringbone?
#workshirtsneedlovetoo
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I'd love for said work shirt to come in short sleeves too. Madras in short sleeves makes a lot of sense to me and most of mine historically have been that way fwiw.
As well, a natural short sleeved loopwheeled Henley, and because it wouldn't be a McLain request without it, a run of them dipped in indigo. Also perhaps a gray Heather version and/or whatever solid colors. Fiancee bought be a washed gray one and I immediately thought Haraki would kill something like that and it would look boss standalone or as an undershirt you could vent by unbuttoning a skosh. Maybe it has a chest pocket with a W. Maybe it had a label on the hem.
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short sleeved loopwheeled Henley
I've been thinking that myself…
Short sleeved henleys based on the IHT-1600
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To further hijack @UnTucked idea, I had a vision of a simple brass tool that would clip to a belt and offer both bottle opening and keychain function. It's possible it could look more like the brass-w10 and hang on a belt loop instead of a belt, though this design would be able to do either while offering a nice lever for the opener.
