IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
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Washed and standing up, all by themselves 🥲 Only a half day of wear, and they’re already feeling great. Very glad I went with this size. I’m even more excited now than when they first arrived! I was nervous about the fit.
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@rimaarts so. My saga continues. Today got to try 634 cut in 14 Oz size smaller, 38.
Since 40 I was doubting it's too big, I "think", 38 is a better size for me. Only thing i hope for is that hips won't shrink with wash. Or give a little bit bigger than they are now after some washes. Gets a bit less comfortable when pockets are full.
I would like a bit higher rise, and for a "straight cut", 634 feels pretty slim. Placed order for a pair from Germany. Let's hope 25oz doesn't wear much smaller than 14oz!
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@rimaarts said in IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:
Hey guys! Last year bought 2 jeans I don't particularly love.
Blackhorse lane NW1 16 oz was hoping either hips will give more, or I'll shrink a bit. Didn't happen.
Oni secret super rough. FOMO got the best of me so sized up in a cut that's too slim for me. Weirdly after wash they shrunk a lot and fit nicely, but now I need to wear them and see how much they stretch back.
This year I want to jump in 25oz pool. It's between iron heart and samurai.
I tried iron heart straight and relaxed tapered cuts in lightweight denims.
888 38" was a no go. 40" was still slim but wearable. Just when sitting down felt like raise slipped down too much. So I don't want to risk that in 25oz
They didn't have 38" 634. Size 40 felt a bit big everywhere but hips.. So I guess question is how much they shrink/stretch? And if hips are nice on 40, should I risk waiting for restock to try 38?
Pics of 40"
I meant to quote this post.
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@rimaarts. If you wash them with cold water and no spin and hung dry they will not shrink. Tag 40 looks good onnthe pictures though. Not that tag 38 doesn't but in my eyes tag 40 looks more hiw a 634 should fit.
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One more question guys. Anyone who has ordered internationally from iron heart. Do you have to pay extra taxes ? (You know the usual +20-30%?) One reason I ordered was because iron heart Germany webpage says 395£. Vat included. This morning I woke up to a nice email saying. Hey, you know, you probably will pay extra 20-30% for taxes and duties?
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@rimaarts https://forum.ironheart.co.uk//post/880433
VAT is a sales tax in Europe, not related to import duty to the USA
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@Alex I'm in uk...
I'm aware that there's like 5 possible import charges, but if shop page says vat included, shipping policy says "all taxes included", I expect to have paid vat to iron heart. I dont expect uk government asking me for vat.
All other charges I dont think I've ever paid more than 50£ on a 500£ order.
The question is, do german customers pay 395€ or they pay almost 500€?
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@rimaarts said in IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:
dont expect uk government asking me for vat.
At the risk of being blunt, you should expect the UK government to take VAT and possibly duties on any order from the EU (or any other place outside the UK for that matter). This policy has been in place since Brexit fully took effect as far as I know. It is the buyer's responsibility to check for any possible taxes and duties levied on goods coming into the country:
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
Could this be stated more prominently on IH Germany's website beyond their FAQs (What about customs duties?) - possibly. Are they to blame - IMO no.
And to answer your question, a German customer would pay €395 including 19% VAT. The additional duties and taxes are levied by the UK government.
I understand your frustration but I think you are directing that frustration at the wrong people
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@Tago-Mago "And to answer your question, a German customer would pay €395 including 19% VAT." There you go. 395€ including vat. AND another vat charged by uk government?
If as you say for German customers, it's 395 including 19% vat, either international orders should be disabled, or German vat deducted. I would have thought iron heart is big enough not to make customers reclaim vat themselves.
However after a brief email exchange, turns out that invoice is 395€ with 0 vat. So it apparently actually is 395 including vat for German customers but 395 EXCLUDING vat for international customers? I don't think my frustration is THAT misplaced...
Now it's not my first time shopping internationally, so i am aware about charges, but it IS my first time questioning if I'll be paying vat once or twice...
Anyway. Order cancelled. And at least I got an email heads up for incoming charges before shipping. Lesson learned to never order iron heart internationally.
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@Alex more than once during email I mentioned, im aware of import duties. But they are usually WAY less than 20-30%. As an example I don't think I've paid more than 30-40£ duties +20% vat on a 500£ order.
Vat on the other hand usually 20%. And yes. I'm aware. Uk government wants vat. However noone should be paying vat twice. If I pay it to uk government, I shouldn't be paying it to Germany.
And when i questioned will I be charged vat if shop states vat included, i was resent invoice "395€. Taxes 0". I said well if I'll have to pay 500€, cancel my order. Order was cancelled.
So forgive me, but is my frustration misplaced? 395 vat included for eu customers but 395 vat excluded for outside eu?
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@rimaarts said in IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:
So forgive me, but is my frustration misplaced? 395 vat included for eu customers but 395 vat excluded for outside eu?
The sale is not VAT excluded, it is just shipped DAP and as such you have to pay all import duties and costs associated with that (which frankly has nothing to do with Iron Heart Germany)
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@Alex sigh. So it is 395€ for eu, 500€ for the rest of us. Thanks. Lesson learned.
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The core of the issue is that shipping out of the EU and charging the VAT is quite a hassle for the seller.
One is the paperwork that has to go with the shipment - but the seller also needs to set up their accounting to handle sales without VAT correctly. And to document that the goods are sent out of the EU.
Unless a shop sells a lot out of the EU it’s simply not worth the trouble. Now some decide not to ship out of the EU (and are occasionally criticized for that), others offer to ship but don’t deduct the VAT.
I assume that Iron Heart Germany is a fairly small operation, with very limited sales outside the EU (where they are in competition with IHUK, Selfedge, IH Japan etc), so a setup allowing for deduction of VAT is probably out of the question.
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@TeflonDon said in IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo:
The core of the issue is that shipping out of the EU and charging the VAT is quite a hassle for the seller.
One is the paperwork that has to go with the shipment - but the seller also needs to set up their accounting to handle sales without VAT correctly. And to document that the goods are sent out of the EU.
Unless a shop sells a lot out of the EU it’s simply not worth the trouble. Now some decide not to ship out of the EU (and are occasionally criticized for that), others offer to ship but don’t deduct the VAT.
I assume that Iron Heart Germany is a fairly small operation, with very limited sales outside the EU (where they are in competition with IHUK, Selfedge, IH Japan etc), so a setup allowing for deduction of VAT is probably out of the question.
Somehow I didn't think of each iron heart as a different entity. But that kind of makes sense.
I always thought iron heart is big enough but if they aren't...A simple "hey! We are small operation so setting up dealing with international vat is not worth the hassle. We did charge vat to you. Your government will charge vat and some more duties and handling fees to you. Here's the link of explaining a bit more how you can reclaim vat from your government. If you don't want the hassle, we are happy to cancel and refund you your order. " would have saved me a lot of annoyance and them answering a bunch of posts.
Instead all I got was
"hey! You'll probably pay 20-30% extra for duties, taxes and fees!"
"Why do I have to pay 20-30% when shop page says vat is included?? And duties are usually way less?'
"you're responsible for taxes and duties since you're outside EU"
"So did I pay vat to you or no?"
"Please see your invoice attached.
You do not pay VAT and you do not pay for shipping.
Invoice says 395 €. Taxes 0. "."Ok. I don't particularly need 500€ denim so if it's 395+ 20-30%, cancel the order."
Order is cancelled and refund is on the way but as of now I still have not understood did I pay vat to germany?
From where I stand it was still "395€ taxes 0" invoice with webpage saying 395€ vat included. So 395 for EU and 500€ for the rest of the world...
