Unpopular opinions
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@Matt it's totally fair to question those things, which is why it's truly one of the most amazing things ever done.
There were a lot of things that went wrong along the way, people have died, things blew up, etc.
I'll say one reason why it's so much more believable to me, is that because it was done in 1969 with people who were willing to accept and take a little more risk without needing triple or quad redundant systems like was and is still done for launch systems that came after.
It's one part of the recipe for success at SpaceX as well. But regardless, it's all good, even if you're totally wrong
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Oh it happened. We were a much better and more capable country back then.
I disagree that Occam’s razor supports a conspiracy. Quite the opposite. It would be impossible for a conspiracy with so many participants to stay under the radar.
Think it, be it.
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@mclaincausey said in Unpopular opinions:
It would be impossible for a conspiracy with so many participants to stay under the radar.
QFT
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Plus, ya know, evidence. Including from third parties who would love for it to be untrue, or have no reason to support a conspiracy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
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@WhiskeySandwich said in Unpopular opinions:
@steelworker @Matt @seawolf i have a theory about why MD drivers are notoriously bad : it’s because they’re from everywhere else. Md is FULL of transplants and military people. This means everyone brings a different style and habits formed by their home state and laws/designs. Combine that with road infrastructure designed for half the current volume of traffic and you get a “fuck you, me first” attitude.
Also: the police don’t enforce much anything on MD roads anymore.
This right here. Base closures dropped alot of New Jersey & NY into rural Md & Pa. and they're pissed they cant get good pizza.
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@mclaincausey said in Unpopular opinions:
Oh it happened. We were a much better and more capable country back then.
Right. Well except for the racism, sexism, misogyny, draconian philosophies behind education and parenting, rampant pollution, shitty beer, Cold War, and the general misconception that going to the moon mattered in the slightest. I mean c’mon, going to the moon because we can? In an infinite universe that’s like spending a jillion dollars on going down the street for a pack of smokes instead of on curing lung cancer.
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Saw an interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about if the moon landing was faked. Said something along the lines of even if you don't believe the footage and such, there are well documented research hours, and blueprints of the designs, and paid tech development and etc etc etc for hundreds of thousands of hours. Can't imagine the US govt having invested so many of those dollars into a hoax.
All that said, I'm totally neutral. If the govt released a bunch of evidence and bunch of people came forward tomorrow saying it was all faked, it wouldn't change my life. I'd just be like, "whoa. ok thanks for letting us know."
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My opinion, maybe unpopular, is that this fact isn't subject to an opinion or what one might believe. It actually happened, and it happened more than once. Full stop.
If I was directly involved in this, i'd find it a little insulting for a widespread opinion to exist that what I did was nothing but a hoax.
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@Matt said in Unpopular opinions:
The logistics of safely transporting a human being to the moon then bringing them back alive relative to most space expeditions since then seems incongruous at best. Granted I’m not a rocket scientist like some people around here
I think the bring them back wasn't as essential a part of the mission as it would be now.
Risk appetite is a little different now when it comes to people's lives. We're talking about an era where a third of F1 drivers died during races and millions of people had died in wars within living memory.
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I think the Sowiets would have made it very clear to the rest of the world if the moon landing had been faked. Since they did not do such a thing, it's very safe to say it is real.
(Is that the correct use of the conditional III?)
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@Matt yeah we are that much worse now even than that. Pretty wild, unprecedented times.
And I disagree that space exploration is a waste of time, or that we can’t do that and other things at the same time.
The hoax argument falls apart if you just do the tiniest amount of research and critical thinking. Multiple contemporary parties, including enemies, were observing the whole thing live at the time. How would they have fooled the telescopes and radar? Why are there still rovers up there that continue to be observed by probes? Etc. it’s seriously flat earth territory if you really look at the facts.
Think it, be it.
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Speaking of flat earth..
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@Matt There were around 400K people involved in putting a man on the moon. A conspiracy that large would never be successful. Try keeping a secret with 100 people and see how it goes.
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